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Post by middledivision on May 25, 2022 6:46:38 GMT -8
The MTH diesels are supposed to go in the revamped Operator series. They are not up to the level of Rivet Counter. The MTH steam locomotives were the prize in that acquisition.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 9:21:19 GMT -8
Even the MTH steam will require updating. The last run of 2-8-8-4's has an unacceptable amount of wobble in the drivers which indicates poor, out of square mounting of the wheels on the axles (even if basically in quarter). Can't say if ours are out of quarter or not...they run...but the wobble is significant, and off-putting (part of the reason I sold one).
However, I should also note that the price on these articulateds went up immediately upon arrival such that anybody can sell them and make a considerable profit, even through a consignment shop like Brasstrains. They are bringing $1100+ now which is far above MTH MSRP. Part of this is also driven by the fact that though perhaps not perfect, the MTH articulateds vastly outperform many brass articulateds that cost a whole lot more--so the brass steam market is now pulling up the MTH and BLI hybrid prices.
As nice as the MTH steam is, at this point I would rather stick to operating diesels (ST Rivet Counter, Athearn Genesis, Rapido, Atlas Master Series and Bowser). My son retains just the one big MTH monster steam engine. All the rest were sold and replaced by big Genesis 2.0 UP diesels that he wanted.
John
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Post by packer on May 25, 2022 10:19:04 GMT -8
The MTH diesels are supposed to go in the revamped Operator series. They are not up to the level of Rivet Counter. The MTH steam locomotives were the prize in that acquisition. Just curious, how bad was the MTH GP35? I want to see scarlet do a GP35 since they have a GP30. I’d like some of the ore cars too. |
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Post by fishbelly on May 25, 2022 11:15:11 GMT -8
The MTH diesels are supposed to go in the revamped Operator series. They are not up to the level of Rivet Counter. The MTH steam locomotives were the prize in that acquisition. Just curious, how bad was the MTH GP35? I want to see scarlet do a GP35 since they have a GP30. I’d like some of the ore cars too. I would not say that I would buy one over a Kato model. No way. Not even close. Of all the items MTH put out in HO scale (not including the steam locomotives). The ore cars are by far the best. The ore cars go against all belief that they are from MTH. Beautiful cars and on par in detail and fidelity with even the best of what is offered by other high end freight car companies. Curious, who is "scarlet"? |
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Post by jonklein611 on May 25, 2022 11:31:05 GMT -8
Just curious, how bad was the MTH GP35? I want to see scarlet do a GP35 since they have a GP30. I’d like some of the ore cars too. I would not say that I would buy one over a Kato model. No way. Not even close. Of all the items MTH put out in HO scale (not including the steam locomotives). The ore cars are by far the best. The ore cars go against all belief that they are from MTH. Beautiful cars and on par in detail and fidelity with even the best of what is offered by other high end freight car companies. Curious, who is "scarlet"? Same for their streamlined passenger cars. Works of art that are close to Rapido level. Back on topic, the SD40-2 will be a cash cow for decades at Scale Trains. So many to burn through. |
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Post by gevohogger on May 25, 2022 12:05:52 GMT -8
Just curious, how bad was the MTH GP35? I want to see scarlet do a GP35 since they have a GP30. I’d like some of the ore cars too. Curious, who is "scarlet"? Scale Trains, I assume. Sort of like how people use "Brown" as a colloquial nickname for UPS.
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Post by bridge2nowhere on May 25, 2022 15:44:35 GMT -8
The MTH diesels are supposed to go in the revamped Operator series. They are not up to the level of Rivet Counter. The MTH steam locomotives were the prize in that acquisition. It's interesting that on another forum, an employee of another manufacturer claimed that the SDL39 was a MTH project that they purchased, rather than a ScaleTrains original. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 19:18:28 GMT -8
I have a hard time believing that. Be careful of what you read...
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Post by bridge2nowhere on May 25, 2022 19:35:02 GMT -8
I have a hard time believing that. Be careful of what you read... I don't believe it. I just find it interesting. |
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Post by lvrr325 on May 25, 2022 21:01:59 GMT -8
it would explain some things.
The MTH GP35 had a few dimensional and detail issues and I think it came with their operating coupler, the one you could make uncouple via DCC. Which didn't look very good.
I do know I had a chance to buy some on closeout for well below list, so I looked on ebay at the time to see if they'd be worth trying to sell, and found that when they did sell there it was about the same as it would cost me.
I don't think I know anyone who actually owns a good deal of MTH HO; the only MTH I have is a flatcar I paid $3 for, no box, broken coupler.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 5:52:18 GMT -8
The first thing I do with an MTH engine is remove that awful operating coupler. We have exactly 3 MTH products remaining on hand in my household: One way cool Christmas gondola with the light up Christmas trees, and my son has both one DM&IR 2-8-8-4 and one SD70M-2, Florida East Coast blue and yellow. He thought those engines were cool and wanted them. The SD70M-2 is the last plain dc anything that we have, save an old Mantua trolley that I do not run even though it does run.
MTH sells here in Central PA to folks from more of a toy train/O scale background, so there are folks who have it but they would also not be the type of "modeler" (I know I'm using that term perhaps a bit loosely) that you would ever see them lurk here on these forums. You also would not believe the numbers of people who still buy old junk from 40 years ago and try to fix it up (stuff that I would just immediately throw in the trash, they are looking for parts to fix). There's actually more of those people than there are people who want a totally correct B23-7 like some of us.
John
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Post by lvrr325 on May 26, 2022 10:13:04 GMT -8
I would absolutely believe it because I sell it all the time, you can mail me anything you want to trash. I can sell wide body blue box Athearn engines, AHM GP18s and so forth all day long for around $30-$40 if they're nice.
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Post by joppasub on May 27, 2022 7:35:35 GMT -8
Those GP30's look great!!!
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