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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 10:01:25 GMT -8
Ok, I took a chance and pre-ordered a UP Operators version. I need to see these things up close and personal. I can strip it and repaint it to a pre-1980 UP version. Or Possibly turn it into a 6000 series MoPac unit.
Brian
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Post by riogrande on Jul 8, 2016 10:14:50 GMT -8
I might be interested in a pre-1980 UP version too. They did run across the D&RGW on mileage equalization runs now and then. BN operated as part of coal train power consists as well.
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Post by SantaFeSammy on Jul 8, 2016 10:43:03 GMT -8
Anyone that wants to get rid of their "junky old Kato" SD40-2's, please let me know. I'll gladly pay $35 or 40 bucks a piece and take them off your hands. :-)
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Post by csxt8400 on Jul 8, 2016 12:50:15 GMT -8
This is great news. One thing that makes me a bit bummed is that they dont mirror the roadnames between rivet and operator. Id love a perfect YN3 Dash 2.
Scaletrains, is the operator line going to be cookie cutter or will the CSX's be getting correct light placement and pilots without anticlimbers?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 8, 2016 13:19:35 GMT -8
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Post by Donnell Wells on Jul 8, 2016 13:51:53 GMT -8
They are not Genesis because Athearn did not listen and capitalize on it. If these hit the market without operating issues and assembly issues, my personal view is all other 40-2's are going to be obsolete. The quality is there and the pricing is very appealing. Athearn cannot even compete with it in quality or price. The Athearn SD40-2 has run its final race. There are only two SD40-2's now worth buying new. The GMDD from Bowser and EMD from Scaletrains. Brian You know Brian, I was thinking this exact thing! Athearn's SD40-2 has held the line since 1983. Its position it the marketplace was only further solidified with the upgrades in 2000 when Athearn revised the BB motor, added hex flywheels and drive shafts, and closed the pilots, and then again in 2007 when they added newly tooled cabs, noses, and sub-bases, fuel tanks, snowplows, and a host of other details that have slowly been added over the years even up to the latest releases!
HOWEVER!!! That time has abruptly coming to and end with the advent of the ScaleTrains SD40-2! This locomotive, and its forecast price price-point, will de-throne Athearn's offering as the go-to for any modeler's SD40-2 needs. In order for Athearn to compete, they'll first have to drop their price significantly. Second, they would have to retool the long hood and walkway to match the newer cab and nose, and then adjust the truck spacing to match the prototype. Will this happen? Most likely not...
Athearn still takes the lead on second generation GPs, as well as an awesome SD38/40/40T-2/45T-2, DDA40X, SD50s, 60s, and 70s, and quite a few others!
Regarding the Bowser SD40-2, it looks good overall, BUT they botched the dynamic hatch and angled traction motor blower housing! So, you'll need a ScaleTrains DB hatch and a Cannon #BH-1601 blower housing to fix these units.
Donnell
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Post by jbilbrey on Jul 8, 2016 14:39:50 GMT -8
Whoa!!!! Scale Trains faked just about everybody out of their socks. That intro with the NS rep was great misdirection. An accurate model with sound for $100 + change is $100 less than the current market. I've seen the pre-production model of the turbine and they are outstanding. If the SD40-2 are as good as the turbines they will rock the market. I'm not a big fan of the SD40-2 but at this price point, I can quickly become a fan. I wouldn't exactly say that they "faked just about everyone out of their socks". Given their comments, I figured it was going be some sort of 2nd-Generation EMD. Potential guesses such as the Dash-7's or early Dash-8's [i.e. the C39-8] didn't make sense as I doubt that NS still have any left on the property for Scale Trains to measure. Likewise while they said that a NS rep was going be there, that didn't mean the project was going be exclusively a NS locomotive. As others have stated, the Turbine didn't interest me a bit since I am an "East Coast" modeler. Now, a SD40-2 is a different matter. I'm glad to see Scale Trains put in the $$$ for the tooling of this important locomotive. Plus, Scale Trains are doing variants of schemes that Athearn and InterMountain hasn't touched yet. For example, both Athearn and InterMountain released "early" versions of the Southern SD40-2, but Scale Trains is also doing the later version with corrugated radiator screens and plows on both pilots. Their pricing is going be a good selling point as well. The latest releases of Athearn's SD40-2 have a MSRP of $134.98. And, InterMountain's SD40-2 start off at $149 (MSRP). Both of these really could use the $20 DW detail set, which the "Rivet Counter" SD40-2 won't need. James Bilbrey LaVergne, TN P.S. I'm glad that I sold my R-T-R SOU SD40-2 a few years back. Now, I can get the Scale Trains SD40-2 to replace it.
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Post by SD90 on Jul 8, 2016 14:42:10 GMT -8
How do scale trains locomotives run?
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Post by calzephyr on Jul 8, 2016 14:44:39 GMT -8
Anyone that wants to get rid of their "junky old Kato" SD40-2's, please let me know. I'll gladly pay $35 or 40 bucks a piece and take them off your hands. :-) Sammy Those units are not junk!!!! HA Larry
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Post by loophog on Jul 8, 2016 14:45:20 GMT -8
How do scale trains locomotives run? Nobody knows, they haven't delivered an engine yet, the GTEL isn't out just yet.
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Post by calzephyr on Jul 8, 2016 14:46:04 GMT -8
How do scale trains locomotives run? The only model that has been on video is the Turbine and it looked to run very well. Time will tell if all of the offering run that well. My guess is Shane and company will have a good running product. Larry
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 14:58:03 GMT -8
Donnell, I concur with all that you wrote. The SD40-2 was Athearns to loose. Something else to take note of on Athearns hood. It is to short. Not in height, in length. The Kato hood is correct. Chris Zygmunt and I had a good discussion about this and he verified it.
A couple other things to take note of on this new model. Two very good things. The gift that just keeps on giving.
1. The side frames are made from polystyrene. Not Delrin. Big plus there! This was verified today as well by Tom Austin my man at the show. 2. The coupler buffer plate is considerably closer to scale width than any other manufacturer.
One of the greatest things that appears is going to happen with ScaleTrains is that they are going to offer parts. Now that is something to be seen still, but if they follow through with it. SWEET! I'll be ordering loads of parts from them then.
Brian
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Post by notabob on Jul 8, 2016 15:08:20 GMT -8
Judge Doom,Look at the price of their "Operator" sound SD40-2-$119.00..At street those will be the best deals in town and average Joe Modeler will gobble them up. I been waiting on a affordable SD40-2 with DCC/Sound and I'm more then willing to add the required grabs,plow and lift bar. The Operator sound models will be with a reduced-capability decoder. Think ESU's equivalent of Sound Value that Athearn puts in their RTR models.
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Post by nsc39d8 on Jul 8, 2016 15:11:36 GMT -8
Hopefully Shane might have a preproduction sample by the St. Louis RPM meet in August. I have definitely got to see one. But I can say I will be getting a NS admiral cab and a Southern high hood.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 15:55:54 GMT -8
They had a decorated version of the NS and BNSF at the show...both were superb. I think the BNSF was the Operator version...
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Jul 8, 2016 16:00:16 GMT -8
To be honest, The GTE 8500 looked real good, sounded nice and ran great. With that said, I do regret not ordering a museum quality version one for myself! Help Shane!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 16:32:56 GMT -8
NM. I didn't realize the pic of the NS Admiral Cab version was a MODEL. VERY impressive looking model. Ken J Johnson deserves some kudos for the scene and photography also. I am VERY happy I didn't give in to a moment of weakness and buy an Intermountain SD40-2. Jason C Indiana The BNSF one is a model, too. I didn't realize it was a model either, until I saw your post.
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Post by Judge Doom on Jul 8, 2016 16:54:40 GMT -8
Regarding the Bowser SD40-2, it looks good overall, BUT they botched the dynamic hatch and angled traction motor blower housing! So, you'll need a ScaleTrains DB hatch and a Cannon #BH-1601 blower housing to fix these units. Donnell [/font] [/quote] A few sources indicate that Bowser is apparently retooling their DB hatch to have the correct profile for future releases of their SD40-2. Someone on one of the Canadian groups had apparently sent them photos of the hatch corrections before production, but it may have been overlooked at the time. We shall see.
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Post by eh49 on Jul 8, 2016 17:12:15 GMT -8
I was really hoping for a SD60E, in particular, the Vetrans unit. Why? I am disabled veteran. True they may get around to it someday, BUT, I have Cancer (untreatable), and may not be around when that someday comes.
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Post by Brakie on Jul 8, 2016 17:21:06 GMT -8
Judge Doom,Look at the price of their "Operator" sound SD40-2-$119.00..At street those will be the best deals in town and average Joe Modeler will gobble them up. I been waiting on a affordable SD40-2 with DCC/Sound and I'm more then willing to add the required grabs,plow and lift bar. The Operator sound models will be with a reduced-capability decoder. Think ESU's equivalent of Sound Value that Athearn puts in their RTR models. That's cool as long as the sound is correct,with horn selection, start volt,speed steps and momentum. These are important for a 12' ISL.
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Post by bigblow69 on Jul 8, 2016 17:33:19 GMT -8
I said once the Turbines get here I was going to take it down a notch for the next couple years. Oh well that plan is shot.That being said really want to see final production photos of the Turbines.
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Post by stevef45 on Jul 8, 2016 17:34:04 GMT -8
dam, i dont think im ever going to be preordering as much as I have this year. I guess a divorce has some benefits lol
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Post by stevef45 on Jul 8, 2016 17:36:54 GMT -8
do they all have the same htc trucks or some have flexcoil?
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Post by packer on Jul 8, 2016 17:38:41 GMT -8
Looks good, has loksound. My wallet is already hurting...
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Post by eh49 on Jul 8, 2016 17:39:05 GMT -8
dam, i dont think im ever going to be preordering as much as I have this year. I guess a divorce has some benefits lol I was going to stop pre ordering also do the issue I stated above. Instead, it's going full steam ahead. Also, the guys at MBK should know my address by heart, I'm placing orders weekly. Now, gotta get a pre order in to Scale Trains for some NS units.
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Post by stevef45 on Jul 8, 2016 17:42:22 GMT -8
do you preorder with scaletrains or someone else? I seriously might order 2 and then the detail kits. 90 bucks for a great looking loco. Im kinda getting over the whole sound thing and need some quiet time lol
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Post by Hergy on Jul 8, 2016 18:35:10 GMT -8
Was an eta given. If it was I missed it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 18:53:32 GMT -8
January 2017.
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Post by lnrrfan on Jul 8, 2016 19:18:59 GMT -8
I hope its a nice locomotive,
However the top edge of the short hood looks odd. Like it's too sharp a corner from the top to side transition. I do not want to be negative it just doesn't seem to look right. On first impression
I hope its just the photos, I would love to see a really good updated sd40-2 and it be offered undecorated with the optional parts made available. Also nice reasonable price
Pat Coleman
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Post by bigblow69 on Jul 8, 2016 19:26:55 GMT -8
I hope its a nice locomotive, However the top edge of the short hood looks odd. Like it's too sharp a corner from the top to side transition. I do not want to be negative it just doesn't seem to look right. On first impression I hope its just the photos, I would love to see a really good updated sd40-2 and it be offered undecorated with the optional parts made available. Also nice reasonable price Pat Coleman Doesn't the NS version have an Admiral Cab? I think they also have some Ex Milwaukee Road 40-2's they equipped with Admiral Cabs.
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