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Post by lnrrfan on Jul 8, 2016 19:31:44 GMT -8
The NS version is the nose I noticed having very sharp corners.
Did NS replace the nose also on the admiral cabs?
I'm not familiar with this cab configuration
Pat Coleman
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Post by csxt8400 on Jul 8, 2016 19:42:14 GMT -8
The NS version is the nose I noticed having very sharp corners. Did NS replace the nose also on the admiral cabs? I'm not familiar with this cab configuration Pat Coleman Yes they did. In typical NS fashion they butchered it. Opinion aside its a higher nose and has sharper angles.
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Jul 8, 2016 19:58:44 GMT -8
I was really hoping for a SD60E, in particular, the Vetrans unit. Why? I am disabled veteran. True they may get around to it someday, BUT, I have Cancer (untreatable), and may not be around when that someday comes. I am a life-time HO-er, but I got into O-Scale in a small way about 10 years ago so I could buy and run some things not available in HO, primarily steam. In your case, see: mthtrains.com/20-20594-1My planned O-scale layout will be a modest around-the-walls shelf layout running one to three feet wide, but you don't have to get into building a second layout. Get enough track to do a floor or "carpet" layout, pick up a power supply and some freight cars to go with the SD60e, and you are in business. Admittedly mor costly than if HO SD60e units were available, but a possibility. Our thoughts are with you!
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Post by ScaleTrains.com on Jul 8, 2016 20:05:10 GMT -8
I see on the Operator version, there is a separate package of details that one can order to add grabirons, uncoupling levers, etc. SXT80254 is listed, but not on their website. Wonder how much that will be?? James: we're still working with our factory on parts pricing. We will be providing more information in the coming weeks. Shane Shane Wilson President ScaleTrains.com, Inc.
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Post by ScaleTrains.com on Jul 8, 2016 20:10:01 GMT -8
This is great news. One thing that makes me a bit bummed is that they dont mirror the roadnames between rivet and operator. Id love a perfect YN3 Dash 2. Scaletrains, is the operator line going to be cookie cutter or will the CSX's be getting correct light placement and pilots without anticlimbers? CSXT8400, To help keep the price point low, the Operator line will only have one nose/body/dynamic brake/intake grille/radiator fan/etc. arrangement. If you prefer roadname and road number specific details, our Rivet Counter line is for you. We've already tooled several more variations of the SD40-2 beyond what was announced today. Shane Shane Wilson President ScaleTrains.com, Inc.
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Post by ScaleTrains.com on Jul 8, 2016 20:13:17 GMT -8
Hopefully Shane might have a preproduction sample by the St. Louis RPM meet in August. I have definitely got to see one. But I can say I will be getting a NS admiral cab and a Southern high hood. James, We're showing test models of the Rivet Counter Norfolk Southern Admiral Cab and Operator BNSF Wedge at the show. We plan to have the remaining roadnames on display at the RPM Meet in St. Louis along with an operating model. Shane Shane Wilson President ScaleTrains.com, Inc.
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Post by ScaleTrains.com on Jul 8, 2016 20:17:45 GMT -8
do they all have the same htc trucks or some have flexcoil? Steve, All of the models from the first run feature detailed HT-C trucks with brake plumbing. traction motor, and air duct. Also, to answer a later post, you can order directly from us or a ScaleTrains.com Select Retailer. Shane Shane Wilson President ScaleTrains.com, Inc.
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Post by bcrn on Jul 8, 2016 20:31:39 GMT -8
xmas for brian and co!!! glad for you. genesis prices plummet and second hand ri hit the market. tho at that price, imight be tempted, if they come out in red and yellow.
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Post by carrman on Jul 8, 2016 21:22:28 GMT -8
do they all have the same htc trucks or some have flexcoil? Steve, All of the models from the first run feature detailed HT-C trucks with brake plumbing. traction motor, and air duct. Also, to answer a later post, you can order directly from us or a ScaleTrains.com Select Retailer. Shane Shane Wilson President ScaleTrains.com, Inc. You'll kill me if you do MILW.....;-) Especially those double digit Locotrol versions we talked about in Champaign a few years back. Dave
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Post by bdhicks on Jul 8, 2016 22:19:10 GMT -8
The short hood of the prototype Admiral cab has just about zero radius on the corners. The sharp corners of the Admiral cab nose (and the similarly sharp nose on the CP ECO rebuilds) is because they're much thicker steel than the old sheetmetal, so the corners are welded instead of just formed. There's some pictures of Admiral cabs in primer on this page, which really shows the sharp corners. www.altoonaworks.info/rebuilds/admiralcab.html
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Post by lvrr325 on Jul 9, 2016 0:51:25 GMT -8
I would also strongly consider buying used Athearn or Kato units, if they come in a box, but I would be looking to flip them so I could only offer around half what they end up being actually worth on the street when these new units hit the shelves. There is going to be a limited window where the current price continues, then when these come out the older ones will only fetch a fraction of current prices for the most part. Undec Athearn with the revised frame is the most likely to hold it's value.
And I can probably pre-order Scaletrains' engines, but as I mentioned in the other thread there's no sense in it if my cost is about the same as the direct from manufacturer price - as a buyer you are better off that way.
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Post by tarnett on Jul 9, 2016 3:05:35 GMT -8
The NS version is the nose I noticed having very sharp corners. Did NS replace the nose also on the admiral cabs? I'm not familiar with this cab configuration Pat Coleman[/quote Yes, the Admiral cab is a one piece nose and cab assembly as delivered to Juniata Locomotive Shop from Curry. They (JLS) had quite a few sitting on the shop floor when Shane and I visited in 2014. Best, Todd A
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Post by nebrzephyr on Jul 9, 2016 6:12:02 GMT -8
So, I haven't been able to determine the real differences between Operator and Rivet Counter models. I know the Operator versions will not have installed grabs, hoses, etc. But other than that what's different? For example, will the Operator version have all the truck detail - piping, traction motor, etc? Curious minds need to know. Bob
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Jul 9, 2016 6:32:25 GMT -8
So, I haven't been able to determine the real differences between Operator and Rivet Counter models. I know the Operator versions will not have installed grabs, hoses, etc. But other than that what's different? For example, will the Operator version have all the truck detail - piping, traction motor, etc? Curious minds need to know. Bob There will be only one body phase used for the operator series. Think Athearn Blue Box, where there was one body and had various paint schemes which may or not be correct for that body phase. Truck detail would be shock absorber and brake cylinders. No brake cylinder piping. Traction motor appears to be present on the sample. There are photos on Train Orders.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Jul 9, 2016 6:38:05 GMT -8
So, I haven't been able to determine the real differences between Operator and Rivet Counter models. I know the Operator versions will not have installed grabs, hoses, etc. But other than that what's different? For example, will the Operator version have all the truck detail - piping, traction motor, etc? Curious minds need to know. Bob No MU hoses, coupler cut bars, lift rings, grab irons, windshield wipers. All the small add on items. Same shell and drive as rivet counter, but a generic detail version. Basically with no fine detail parts added. That is my take from watching the video. Brian From Shane on page 5 of this thread To help keep the price point low, the Operator line will only have one nose/body/dynamic brake/intake grille/radiator fan/etc. arrangement. If you prefer roadname and road number specific details, our Rivet Counter line is for you. We've already tooled several more variations of the SD40-2 beyond what was announced today. Shane Shane Wilson President ScaleTrains.com, Inc.
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Post by csxt8400 on Jul 9, 2016 8:39:55 GMT -8
This is great news. One thing that makes me a bit bummed is that they dont mirror the roadnames between rivet and operator. Id love a perfect YN3 Dash 2. Scaletrains, is the operator line going to be cookie cutter or will the CSX's be getting correct light placement and pilots without anticlimbers? CSXT8400, To help keep the price point low, the Operator line will only have one nose/body/dynamic brake/intake grille/radiator fan/etc. arrangement. If you prefer roadname and road number specific details, our Rivet Counter line is for you. We've already tooled several more variations of the SD40-2 beyond what was announced today. Shane Shane Wilson President ScaleTrains.com, Inc. Thanks for the response. I will await some CSX and lease versions in the rivet line then. Will you be adding Timken bearing caps to appropriate versions in the future?
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Post by Spikre on Jul 9, 2016 10:10:10 GMT -8
took awhile, but a few months back did confirm that NS has been running Admiral Cabs on the R&D line here. problem was actually getting a good look at the locos, they come in so quietly eastbound that they are here before one can get to a good spot to see them. will see how the models look, but guess these will just be in the Rivit Counter Line ? how about next those Dash-9 to AC conversions they are doing ? Spikre
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Post by ln1263 on Jul 9, 2016 10:57:47 GMT -8
Scale Trains I have a request. Will you please do an early version of the L&N gray and yellow SD40-2's in number series 1259-1278&3554-3583. 50 numbers in all. They all had nose headlights and extended range dynamic brakes. The only difference between the number sets was the location of the bell.Underframe mounted vs hood mounted. I'm tired of trying to make Kato's work for me and I'm wanting a quality unit with dcc and sound. Please let me know. Thank you for your time, Andrew!
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Post by santafe49 on Jul 9, 2016 12:35:23 GMT -8
I see on the Operator version, there is a separate package of details that one can order to add grabirons, uncoupling levers, etc. SXT80254 is listed, but not on their website. Wonder how much that will be?? James: we're still working with our factory on parts pricing. We will be providing more information in the coming weeks. Shane Shane Wilson President ScaleTrains.com, Inc. I will keep my eyes on this. The price point of the detail kits added to the basic loco vs the price of the rivet counter with all that preinstalled will be the deciding factor. With my old eyes and progressively shaky hands, the pre-detailed model maybe the better buy. I am in no rush for these. Thanks Shane for the reply.
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Post by bdhicks on Jul 9, 2016 13:44:32 GMT -8
I don't really need more SD40-2s now, but if when they get around to doing DME they use the dark blue used on the later repaints instead of the earlier light blue Athearn used then I might have to pick some up.
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Post by lnrrfan on Jul 9, 2016 14:54:31 GMT -8
I hope they reconsider their operator line and at least offer different nose ,radiator and dynamic brake options.
Pat Coleman
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Post by milgentrains on Jul 9, 2016 15:30:35 GMT -8
I hope they reconsider their operator line and at least offer different nose ,radiator and dynamic brake options. Pat Coleman If they did this then you can say goodbye to the $79.00 list price.
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Post by lnrrfan on Jul 9, 2016 17:29:49 GMT -8
If you could make a SD40-2 with 88" nose and late radiator grilles for 79.00 minus detail parts Why couldn't you make say a 81" nose version with early grilles and possibly a snoot version without details for the same price point?
Pat Coleman
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Post by bnsf971 on Jul 9, 2016 18:16:14 GMT -8
If you could make a SD40-2 with 88" nose and late radiator grilles for 79.00 minus detail parts Why couldn't you make say a 81" nose version with early grilles and possibly a snoot version without details for the same price point? Pat Coleman The idea is to offer one, and only one, version for that price. A second version adds to tooling, production, inventory, and the final cost. People wanting more and different versions of everything is the reason we now have $300 locomotives, instead of $50 locomotives.
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Post by lnrrfan on Jul 9, 2016 20:08:54 GMT -8
The Idea seems to be to offer a low detailed base locomotive at a reduced cost. which they did. So i'm sure they could produce another version for this cost. a lot of the initial cost has been expended.
people wanting every detail applied for them has driven the cost up. Also this locomotive has one of the broadest markets out there. It will sell if well done.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 9, 2016 20:31:26 GMT -8
Pat,
I do surely hope that Scale Trains is listening to you. Your request is not unreasonable. Make your case as best you can.
But you assert: "So i'm sure they could produce another version for this cost."
Maybe. Maybe not. You being sure does not translate into them being sure.
But I do hope they consider your comments.
Ed
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Post by lnrrfan on Jul 9, 2016 21:05:18 GMT -8
I wasn't making a case just expressing a need or desire
which has to be corrected by various manufacturing and economic experts.
forget it i'll keep my athearns and my wants to myself.
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Post by Brakie on Jul 9, 2016 23:39:14 GMT -8
I wasn't making a case just expressing a need or desire which has to be corrected by various manufacturing and economic experts. forget it i'll keep my athearns and my wants to myself. I applaud Shane and company for what they are doing. A quality SD40-2 with DCC/Sound for $119.00 is affordable to those of us that don't want pay $200-300.00 for a Genesis type engine. Even with my shaky shake hands I can still add my own detail parts. The $79.00 nonsound unit is a smart buy and is cheaper then their competitors. Their operator line of freight cars is refreshing since many of us sees the coming days of $80.00 RTR freight cars. Sure my Athearn BB and RTR SD40-2s has a secure home but,I want the operator DCC/Sound SD40-2 and if they decide to do Family Lines SD40-2 sublettered for SCL they will sell two more. I haven't been this excited over a locomotive announcement in quite some time.
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Post by Dewey3 on Jul 10, 2016 4:18:36 GMT -8
They also need to do a Rock Island.
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Post by gtws00 on Jul 10, 2016 4:33:04 GMT -8
We also need some Milwaukee Road versions as well
George
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