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Post by sourwyfan on Apr 12, 2019 17:48:37 GMT -8
From Walthers facebook page today.
Let the speculation begin...www.facebook.com/WalthersTrains/7 hrs ago· "Hiya! Walthers is nearly ready to announce the next legendary HO Scale Name Train. Join us on our Facebook page next Wednesday, April 17th at 1:00p.m. CDT for a livestream unveiling. Following that, check with your local hobby shop and Walthers.com for full details. In the meantime, here’s a brief hint for those of you that love to speculate on this sort of thing: Rolling greenhouses glimpsing the dales and the dells Heralded forthwith by a trio of bells Three passenger units to bear the load Nothing by earth or sky tops this speedy railroad Happy railroading! Your Friends at Walthers" www.walthers.com/catalog/category/view/id/13423#
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Post by simulatortrain on Apr 12, 2019 18:10:45 GMT -8
Kinda sounds like some kind of Hiawatha.
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Post by thunderhawk on Apr 12, 2019 18:40:53 GMT -8
Definitely a Hiawatha. Likely the Olympian as they seem to imply Super Domes.
Not sure on the trio of bells, but with a Super Dome the diesels are likely FP7's. The Erie's were pulled off of it before the Domes were delivered.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Apr 13, 2019 1:13:48 GMT -8
Definitely a Hiawatha. Likely the Olympian as they seem to imply Super Domes. Not sure on the trio of bells, but with a Super Dome the diesels are likely FP7's. The Erie's were pulled off of it before the Domes were delivered. Morning and Afternoon Hiawatha also had Super Domes. Looks like Walthers is finally dusting off the Twin Cities Hiawatha cars with factory applied grab irons like they did with the Great Northern Empire Builder and Santa Fe Super Chief. |
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Post by slowfreight on Apr 13, 2019 5:59:28 GMT -8
Yawn.
At some point, Walthers will need to actually cut some new tooling if it wants me to buy anything. Or maybe put useful paint schemes on things they've already made. Phase III Hilevels? Amtrak Pines series? Metroliner cab car?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Apr 13, 2019 5:59:37 GMT -8
Wow. For a moment, I thought they might be doing the NCL ("rolling GREENhouses" and "three passenger units"). Dodged a bullet, there.
But I see the train is to be legendary, not new.
Ed
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Apr 13, 2019 6:14:10 GMT -8
Yawn. At some point, Walthers will need to actually cut some new tooling if it wants me to buy anything. Or maybe put useful paint schemes on things they've already made. Phase III Hilevels? Amtrak Pines series? Metroliner cab car? Super Domes and Skytops are selling regularly on evil-Bay for hundreds of dollars each. Demand is there for a re-hash of this train in orange and maroon as well as UP yellow and gray. I'll be all over this anticipated announcement like ducks on a june bug. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Apr 13, 2019 6:15:13 GMT -8
Wow. For a moment, I thought they might be doing the NCL ("rolling GREENhouses" and "three passenger units"). Dodged a bullet, there. But I see the train is to be legendary, not new. Ed If Walthers EVER would do the NCL....I'd be in the poor house.... |
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Post by bdhicks on Apr 13, 2019 6:39:06 GMT -8
"Rolling greenhouses glimpsing the dales and the dells
Heralded forthwith by a trio of bells
Three passenger units to bear the load
Nothing by earth or sky tops this speedy railroad"
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Post by thunderhawk on Apr 13, 2019 8:10:56 GMT -8
The Super Domes were built for the Oly Hi. They ended up on the Morning and Afternoon, along with other trains like the Varsity, later in life.
"Rolling greenhouses glimpsing the dales and the dells"
Dells=Wisconsin Dells
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Apr 13, 2019 11:20:35 GMT -8
Here goes another year without a Phoebe Snow ...
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Post by rockfan on Apr 13, 2019 12:35:21 GMT -8
No matter what train they decided on lots of people would be disappointed. You can wait forever for the train you want done, buy brass or do what I did.
When Walthers put out thier passenger cars years ago I bought them, of course they aren't exactly the cars I need but they are a good alternative.
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Post by el3672 on Apr 13, 2019 15:17:57 GMT -8
Here goes another year without a Phoebe Snow ... Another year without a Phoebe Snow in plastic, but don't despair Division Point announced last year plans to do the Phoebe Snow (In brass) and at a price. |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Apr 14, 2019 7:15:40 GMT -8
We NH fans got tired of waiting. Our historical society has paid half the tooling cost to Rapido for each stainless steel NH passenger car and our members have so far purchased 2000 coaches and 1500 parlors through the NHRHTA. Diner orders are currently piling up for a June deadline, and if these sell well enough, we might eventually get our combines, grills, observations, and 3 kinds of sleepers.
If you really want to see a model made, seriously think about involving a historical society.
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Post by marknycfan on Apr 14, 2019 8:08:53 GMT -8
We NH fans got tired of waiting. Our historical society has paid half the tooling cost to Rapido for each stainless steel NH passenger car and our members have so far purchased 2000 coaches and 1500 parlors through the NHRHTA. Diner orders are currently piling up for a June deadline, and if these sell well enough, we might eventually get our combines, grills, observations, and 3 kinds of sleepers. If you really want to see a model made, seriously think about involving a historical society. Bravo Paul, I certainly appreciate all that the NHHS has done as well as your input regarding NH equipment on this page: 3 coaches, 1 parlor and 1 diner waiting for me soon! |
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Post by roadkill on Apr 14, 2019 14:34:24 GMT -8
I'm envious of you Milwaukee modelers  , gotta admit that road had some cool passenger operations. |
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Post by riogrande on Apr 14, 2019 15:24:57 GMT -8
I'm envious of you Milwaukee modelers , gotta admit that road had some cool passenger operations. And freight operations out west back in the early-on mid-1970s. Have you seen that Bill Heiden's layout on YouTube? Sweet! |
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Post by champagnetrail on Apr 15, 2019 17:56:07 GMT -8
Here goes another year without a Phoebe Snow ... Another year without a Phoebe Snow in plastic, but don't despair Division Point announced last year plans to do the Phoebe Snow (In brass) and at a price. Yeah, but I'll never ever in a million billion years be able to afford the entire Phoebe train in brass. Sigh...I guess one can dream...
-pat
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Apr 15, 2019 19:17:02 GMT -8
Another year without a Phoebe Snow in plastic, but don't despair Division Point announced last year plans to do the Phoebe Snow (In brass) and at a price. Yeah, but I'll never ever in a million billion years be able to afford the entire Phoebe train in brass. Sigh...I guess one can dream... -pat
They are beyond my finances as well. So, the Rivarossi stand-ins soldier on. And really, they do quite well under the "Viewed from 3 feet away" test. |
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Post by roadkill on Apr 16, 2019 7:21:58 GMT -8
I'm envious of you Milwaukee modelers , gotta admit that road had some cool passenger operations. And freight operations out west back in the early-on mid-1970s. Have you seen that Bill Heiden's layout on YouTube? Sweet! I'll check that out, thanks! |
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Post by el3672 on Apr 16, 2019 18:06:11 GMT -8
Yeah, but I'll never ever in a million billion years be able to afford the entire Phoebe train in brass. Sigh...I guess one can dream... -pat
They are beyond my finances as well. So, the Rivarossi stand-ins soldier on. And really, they do quite well under the "Viewed from 3 feet away" test. I'm about to dump twelve or so loco's on eBay to save acorns for at least a two of this brass run. Ex DL&W Budd classic stream-lined kitchen Dinner #770 and tavern lounge Phoebe observation #789. Stand ins will be Rapido's past run of EL coach's & sleepers. Long Live the Phoebe Snow & Lake Cities!!! |
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Post by carrman on Apr 17, 2019 11:21:33 GMT -8
So we get a re-run of an already done train, and a 4th maker of a locomotive already done 3 times. How original.
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Post by spsf on Apr 17, 2019 11:44:57 GMT -8
MY wallet is... ah, never mind.
Wish they'd do some early Amtrak stuff.
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Post by bdhicks on Apr 17, 2019 12:33:48 GMT -8
Well, good news for everyone who bought a BLI Milwaukee 261 and needs a Skytop and Great Dome for their excursion train. Still out of luck on every other car, though.
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Post by cprengineer on Apr 17, 2019 13:28:59 GMT -8
The Super Domes were built for the Oly Hi. They ended up on the Morning and Afternoon, along with other trains like the Varsity, later in life. "Rolling greenhouses glimpsing the dales and the dells" Dells=Wisconsin Dells Not quite.
There were 10 Super Domes built. Two each were assigned to the Morning and Afternoon Hiawathas, and the remaining 6 were assigned to the 6 trainsets for the Olympian Hiawatha. When the OH was discontinued, they were indeed used on the Varsity, but also were used on the Cities trains for a time, before some of them were sold, along with the Creeks and some sleepers, to the CN.
Marty
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Post by cprengineer on Apr 17, 2019 13:43:06 GMT -8
Well, good news for everyone who bought a BLI Milwaukee 261 and needs a Skytop and Great Dome for their excursion train. Still out of luck on every other car, though. The two excursion cars had been done already, but as has been mentioned, they are (or, were, now) demanding high prices on the auction site.
I would have liked to have seen one or more of the other paint schemes applied to the cars, along with the lightning stripe E7's with the retooled bodies.
I'd also like to see the FP7's in the 60ABC-64ABC road numbers, as they were used in freight service, in both orange/maroon/black and orange/black schemes. Those units spent a lot more of their service lives in those numbers than the 90-94 as-delivered numbers that all of the manufacturers have beaten to death.
Marty
PS. The NP had a couple of FP7's. And Slumbercoaches. Just sayin'...
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Post by riogrande on Apr 17, 2019 15:35:26 GMT -8
Didn't NP have a couple of short FP7s similar in configuration to the Athearn blue box F?
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Post by roadkill on Apr 17, 2019 15:39:08 GMT -8
Didn't NP have a couple of short FP7s similar in configuration to the Athearn blue box F? Not "short FP7s", steam generator equipped F3's, F7's, and F9's. |
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Post by riogrande on Apr 17, 2019 16:02:50 GMT -8
Didn't NP have a couple of short FP7s similar in configuration to the Athearn blue box F? Not "short FP7s", steam generator equipped F3's, F7's, and F9's. I pulled the term from Joseph Strapacs' Rio Grande Diesels Vol 1 where he dicusses Rio Grande two SG equipped F7As. He said dare we call them short FP7s? He dared. 30 lashes with a wet noodle! |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Apr 17, 2019 17:36:37 GMT -8
NP had two REAL FP7's: 6600 & 6601. They went to BN as 9792 and 9794. They were bought for service on NP's trains 61/62 (St. Paul and Duluth) and 11/12 (St. Paul and International Falls).
NOT for the North Coast Limited or the Mainstreeter.
GN had a goodly number of boiler equipped A-unit F's. At least in a GN diagram book, they were called F's.
Ed
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, gotta admit that road had some cool passenger operations.
