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Post by Macowiec on Dec 30, 2022 3:29:24 GMT -8
This popped up in Piko's 2023 new product announcements: Piko Krauss-Maffei ML 4000
Translated from the German original: Sound diesel locomotive SP 9001 "Ursprung" III, incl. PIKO sound decoder New for 2023: The new construction from PIKO represents the first three locomotives delivered to the Southern Pacific Railway and perfectly reproduces their original condition on a scale of 1:87. The striking shape of the locomotive has been perfectly transferred to the model and numerous separately applied parts, flush-mounted, crystal-clear slides and fine engravings are evidence of the highest level of detail. The prototypical paintwork in gray and red as well as the razor-sharp printing round off the appearance of the model. The powerful motor, in combination with the perfectly balanced flywheel masses, ensures that the machine runs smoothly. The various light functions are designed using the latest LED technology and can be easily switched digitally using a suitable decoder. The sound versions are factory-equipped with a sound decoder and matching loudspeaker. The locomotives do not have an NEM coupling shaft. |
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Post by cklx on Dec 30, 2022 4:43:27 GMT -8
Here are the pages from the 2023 catalog:   There also are some new schemes on the Whitcomb 65 tonner. Cornelius. |
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Post by wagnersteve on Dec 30, 2022 5:07:11 GMT -8
Cornelius, thanks for your post with the good translation.
I believe the Denver & Rio Grande Western also had a few of this type of loco, at least briefly, in a livery that some of us might like better than the Espee's "bloody nose" one. If I'm wrong about this, I hope someone will correct me.
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Post by cklx on Dec 30, 2022 5:26:01 GMT -8
I believe the Denver & Rio Grande Western also had a few of this type of loco, at least briefly, in a livery that some of us might like better than the Espee's "bloody nose" one. If I'm wrong about this, I hope someone will correct me. Maybe in the next run? Cornelius. |
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Post by NYSW3614 on Dec 30, 2022 5:35:24 GMT -8
Fun fact- some of the Rio Grande units tested on the NYC in full Grande in New York- at least on the Water Level Route across the state. There was a TRAINS magazine article years back on it. I would have thought the B&A too but I can't remember.
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Post by Christian on Dec 30, 2022 5:48:08 GMT -8
Someone had to do it. It will likely be both good and pricy. Note that it won't have a NEM coupler or NEM mount. Thank goodness they didn't do the prototypes as they were tested in Europe before shipping to the USA. The body shape conforms to European clearances.
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Post by gevohogger on Dec 30, 2022 5:53:15 GMT -8
Fun fact- some of the Rio Grande units tested on the NYC in full Grande in New York- at least on the Water Level Route across the state. There was a TRAINS magazine article years back on it. You beat me to it. I remember the article.... For that reason I was going to put NYC as #1 on my short list of "Legendary Liveries" that they could do this locomotive in. Others include D&H, Milwaukee Road, Seaboard Air Line and N de M. |
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Post by slowfreight on Dec 30, 2022 6:48:00 GMT -8
With the effort to restore SP 9010, I would have expected the hood-style unit before the carbody unit.
How much does Piko follow our taste for accuracy?
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Dec 30, 2022 7:08:29 GMT -8
How much does Piko follow our taste for accuracy? They're decent. |
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Post by gevohogger on Dec 30, 2022 7:51:34 GMT -8
How much does Piko follow our taste for accuracy? They're decent. We'll be giving it the 3rd Degree..... Otherwise we'll be accused of giving them a free pass! |
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Post by tillamook on Dec 30, 2022 8:12:06 GMT -8
The data on the website is still a bit contradicting – the catalogue says AC versions will be equipped with RP25 wheels, but those will have the least use for them. I guess it's a typo and they meant DC.
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Post by cklx on Dec 30, 2022 8:50:21 GMT -8
The data on the website is still a bit contradicting – the catalogue says AC versions will be equipped with RP25 wheels, but those will have the least use for them. I guess it's a typo and they meant DC. The AC version is for the Märklin system. Märklin models usually have heavy flanges, but not on this model. I thinks that's what they want to say. Cornelius. |
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Post by tillamook on Dec 30, 2022 12:06:45 GMT -8
I know that, and an AC model with RP25 flanges would derail constantly. That’s why it must be a typo.
Since Märklinists (especially in Germany) will never admit nor even come to the idea that the trackwork is at fault, the resulting shitstorm will be by far more severe than writing about Rapido on this board.
This was the case some years ago when ESU released an AC version of the Scaletrains SD40-2 with compatible wheelsets with bigger flanges, but the locos kept touching an breaking switch lanterns on stock track.
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Post by severn on Dec 30, 2022 12:08:48 GMT -8
That looks... pretty dang cool. Well, maybe I'll check the couch [not coach] and under the driver's seat for coin...
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Dec 30, 2022 12:38:30 GMT -8
Piko is the manufacturer I would trust to make this. I'm glad to see this is in their Expert line. I bought some Piko stuff on a trip to Europe a few years ago, and it runs great and looks really clean. Even their basic Hobby Line and starter sets are better than US equivalents.
I like seeing Piko make a stand in the US, and they have delivered some pretty cool and unique models that we wouldn't otherwise see, like the Coaster Sprinter railcar and the 65 ton Whitcomb. Too bad I'm not an SP or DRGW modeler, otherwise I would be in for one of these.
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Post by bigblow69 on Dec 30, 2022 13:07:37 GMT -8
AWESOME SOLD!!
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Post by GP40P-2 on Dec 30, 2022 13:18:35 GMT -8
Cool!!! That’s not the SP era that I model, but I may be getting one of these (and an F7B and a Geep to go with it).
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 30, 2022 14:30:13 GMT -8
They surely look like fun.
If someone shows a photo of them testing on the BN, I'll start scrimpin' and savin'.
Ed
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Post by riogrande on Dec 30, 2022 15:43:23 GMT -8
We'll be giving it the 3rd Degree..... Otherwise we'll be accused of giving them a free pass! I'll be bringing the popcorn. |
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Post by Baikal on Dec 30, 2022 16:28:59 GMT -8
They surely look like fun. If someone shows a photo of them testing on the BN, I'll start scrimpin' and savin'. Ed
They spent almost their entire short lives operating in the flat San Joaquin Valley. Maybe a test to Portland??? Can see the GN & SP&S on the way.
I'd like to know if they ever ran over Tehachapi into Los Angeles.
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Post by GP40P-2 on Dec 30, 2022 16:38:26 GMT -8
The big question, will they be as delivered, or with the external ducts, or with the internal ducts and the extra grills (as on the prototype photo above).
The hood version would be even better, but only SP had those. The hood version only lasted a year or so on the Rio Grande before going to the SP.
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Post by riogrande on Dec 30, 2022 16:45:25 GMT -8
According to UtahRail.net the D&RGW Kraus0Maffai's were purchased in June 1961 and retired/sold to the SP in Feb 1964 utahrails.net/drgw/rg-diesels-3.phpRoad Number Built Arrived Retired D&RGW 4001 Jun 1961 18697 Nov 1961 6 Feb 1964 1 D&RGW 4002 Jun 1961 18698 Nov 1961 6 Feb 1964 2 D&RGW 4003 Jun 1961 18699 Nov 1961 6 Feb 1964 3 They are well before my time period, but I imagine a lot of fans would like to have the version. |
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Post by bigblow69 on Dec 30, 2022 17:27:53 GMT -8
I hope they do the "as delivered" ones first
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Dec 30, 2022 18:09:25 GMT -8
The big question, will they be as delivered, or with the external ducts, or with the internal ducts and the extra grills (as on the prototype photo above). The hood version would be even better, but only SP had those. The hood version only lasted a year or so on the Rio Grande before going to the SP. They are as-delivered. My German isn't what it used to be, but 'ersten drei' and 'Originalzustand' in the first sentence give it away that they are doing the first three SP units in their original form. So no intake ducts or grilles and no air equipment on the roof, which matches the CAD model. |
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Post by es80ac on Dec 31, 2022 10:22:25 GMT -8
If it is Rp25, it is definitely worth looking forward to. But just wondering where they are going to get the sound recording from?
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Post by slowfreight on Dec 31, 2022 11:06:17 GMT -8
If it is Rp25, it is definitely worth looking forward to. But just wondering where they are going to get the sound recording from? SP 9010, or a preservedEuropean unit with a Maybach engine. My understanding from following 9010's restoration efforts is that the guts were the same in the hood and cowl units, so they should sound as close as you'll find anymore. But the block size of the SP units had more cylinders than other surviving Maybach diesels. |
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Post by Baikal on Dec 31, 2022 11:32:39 GMT -8
If it is Rp25, it is definitely worth looking forward to. But just wondering where they are going to get the sound recording from?
German museums might have some dual-engine Maybach KMs.
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Post by Baikal on Dec 31, 2022 11:40:45 GMT -8
If it is Rp25, it is definitely worth looking forward to. But just wondering where they are going to get the sound recording from? SP 9010, or a preservedEuropean unit with a Maybach engine. My understanding from following 9010's restoration efforts is that the guts were the same in the hood and cowl units, so they should sound as close as you'll find anymore. But the block size of the SP units had more cylinders than other surviving Maybach diesels.
The restored 9010 only has one running engine. I guess it's possible, through the magic of audio electronics, to fake a dual engine sound. Sort of like every vocal pop song today.
Video showing 9010 running, plus restoration.
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Post by cemr5396 on Dec 31, 2022 13:16:49 GMT -8
faking a dual engine sound is a piece of cake, you just take your recording of one engine, and duplicate it in the audio file. For extra style points, speed it up or down very very slightly and have one just a tiny bit delayed compared to the other so they seem to go in and out of synch with each other.
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Post by Baikal on Dec 31, 2022 14:12:31 GMT -8
faking a dual engine sound is a piece of cake, you just take your recording of one engine, and duplicate it in the audio file. For extra style points, speed it up or down very very slightly and have one just a tiny bit delayed compared to the other so they seem to go in and out of synch with each other.
Aka Auto-tune. Like Cher or Celine Dion applied to German 1960's engineering.
Modern Music's Death By Auto-Tune
...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNXg5dIVC1M
Were there any other dual 16-cyl Maybachs other than these SP/DRGW/Brazil EFVM units? If so, do recordings exist? Being odd Maybachs, German elektromekanikalaudiophiles might have taped them.
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