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Post by curtmc on Mar 5, 2015 10:59:30 GMT -8
No, or at least not yet (as can be said for any subsidiary of any company owned and operated by an investment group)...
However, if you go to the Horizon Hobby web site you might notice that Athearn model trains are no longer there (or mentioned there)... and now only shown on the Athearn.com site.
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Post by mlehman on Mar 5, 2015 11:02:04 GMT -8
Athearn isn't worried-the demand will be there for a rerun. At a higher price? It's likely already in the pipe line. And didn't Athearn and Horizon separate…? Dave No, Horizon still owns Athearn. What Horizon did was get out of selling product at retail in competition with that which their wholesale customers also sold. |
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Post by curtmc on Mar 5, 2015 11:07:59 GMT -8
LOL mlehman... They still sell on that infamous auction site. Do a search on 53' containers or item 161617004385
They currently have 331 model train listings and even mistakenly listed some UP and NS flared SD70M units last week.
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Post by thebessemerkid on Mar 5, 2015 11:23:51 GMT -8
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Post by bikedude on Mar 5, 2015 11:33:32 GMT -8
My last several attempts at using Klein's advance notice feature have resulted in getting no notices at all. I'm pretty sure they still have my e-mail since I get several marketing promos every week from them about what is new on the website. Since the Proto 2000 Southern GP30s came and went in much the same manner Curt described several weeks ago, I found a different online vendor who still had things in stock for about the same price. That is where I will look for items first going forward. I'm sure Klein has enough business that they won't miss me if I order fewer (or no) things from them in the future, but other than contacting them about the advance notice not working, which I did, it's the only thing I can do to try and get their attention.
As info, I haven't contacted Curt any more either since I was unable to pry the extra Southern GP30s from his hands a few years ago. That is just coincidence though.
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Mar 5, 2015 11:41:36 GMT -8
This is not Athearn's problem. This is MB Klein's problem. Why didn't they order more? The way it works is that every manufacturer bases their production run on pre-orders with a certain percentage over that for repairs, etc. MBK didn't order enough. If they wanted 100,000 units, Athearn would have made that for them. That they sold out in 11 min. is entirely the fault of MBK.
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Post by mlehman on Mar 5, 2015 11:42:32 GMT -8
LOL mlehman... They still sell on that infamous auction site. Do a search on 53' containers or item 161617004385 They currently have 331 model train listings and even mistakenly listed some UP and NS flared SD70M units last week. All I know is that Horizon's website delisted retail Athearn after complaints from retailers they were being undercut by the Horizon site. Nothing was said about ebay, although I know they've listed there in the past. I don't spend much time on ebay unless I'm selling something. Were the ebay listings for newly landed merch or leftover/picked over stock that didn't previously sell? What was the pricing vs MSRP? The one auction cited was at, or close to, full retail. I doubt they'll get any complaints about undercutting their wholesale customers on that or anything else at MSRP. That simply helps support store pricing and makes any discounts offered look good. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Mar 5, 2015 11:45:02 GMT -8
LOL mlehman... They still sell on that infamous auction site. Do a search on 53' containers or item 161617004385 They currently have 331 model train listings and even mistakenly listed some UP and NS flared SD70M units last week. I was under the assumption too that Horizon no longer sold directly, until last week when I stumbled upon one of their listings for something Athearn. Generally speaking Hoizon's prices for Athearn are MSRP, so they are not in complete competition with their dealer network. Horizon also needs to school whoever they have doing at least some of their Athearn listings. I found Athearn Genesis Soo Line FP7 A-B set under HO Scale/Detail Parts/Other. |
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Post by atsfan on Mar 5, 2015 11:46:11 GMT -8
Wow, I hope Rapido's FL-9 & F40PH models sell out that fast! If you haven't already ordered one from a store you ain't getting one. They are like a brass company. |
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Post by atsfan on Mar 5, 2015 11:47:22 GMT -8
Face,it, Athearn left easy money on the table. Their loss. Athearn isn't worried-the demand will be there for a rerun. At a higher price? It's likely already in the pipe line. And didn't Athearn and Horizon separate…? Dave Why would they leave so many sales. On the floor now? A rerun is over a year away. |
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Post by milgentrains on Mar 5, 2015 11:59:34 GMT -8
Athearn isn't worried-the demand will be there for a rerun. At a higher price? It's likely already in the pipe line. And didn't Athearn and Horizon separate…? Dave Why would they leave so many sales. On the floor now? A rerun is over a year away. After the Atlas 50' NSC boxcars flew out the door, Atlas reran them almost immediately. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Mar 5, 2015 12:11:59 GMT -8
This is not Athearn's problem. This is MB Klein's problem. Why didn't they order more? The way it works is that every manufacturer bases their production run on pre-orders with a certain percentage over that for repairs, etc. MBK didn't order enough. If they wanted 100,000 units, Athearn would have made that for them. That they sold out in 11 min. is entirely the fault of MBK. Finally someone else that can see the trees for the forest. At the same time, if Klein's did make a larger order and two months from now 24 models were still in stock, we'd be having a thread on this very forum about how stale stock is a ruining the hobby or words to that effect. IF YOU REALLY WANT a certain model or models then you MUST place reservations. Klein's no reservation system stinks and that is totally their fault too. |
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Post by atsfan on Mar 5, 2015 12:27:57 GMT -8
This is not Athearn's problem. This is MB Klein's problem. Why didn't they order more? The way it works is that every manufacturer bases their production run on pre-orders with a certain percentage over that for repairs, etc. MBK didn't order enough. If they wanted 100,000 units, Athearn would have made that for them. That they sold out in 11 min. is entirely the fault of MBK. Finally someone else that can see the trees for the forest. At the same time, if Klein's did make a larger order and two months from now 24 models were still in stock, we'd be having a thread on this very forum about how stale stock is a ruining the hobby or words to that effect. IF YOU REALLY WANT a certain model or models then you MUST place reservations. Klein's no reservation system stinks and that is totally their fault too. If you really want. Many don't, or won't be bothered. So their money stays in their wallet. You write as if Model Trains are like ice water in the Sahara to hobbyists. They aren't. Discretionary hobby funds are just that. |
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Post by atsfan on Mar 5, 2015 12:29:37 GMT -8
Why would they leave so many sales. On the floor now? A rerun is over a year away. After the Atlas 50' NSC boxcars flew out the door, Atlas reran them almost immediately. When was that? Not lately. In 2015, a rerun will not show up until sometime in 2016. Not announced, show up. Athearn is at least 10 months of lag time, assuming they announced another run today. |
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Post by TBird1958 on Mar 5, 2015 12:39:52 GMT -8
Wow...... When I wanted some Genesis locomotives (after seeing the announcement) I went to my LHS and had him order me the 4 I wanted, he discounts and if the models aren't in good shape I don't buy them ( haven't had any QC issues) then I forget about it until they come out. My LHS calls when they show, I pay him and go home happy. Deal with someone you trust that has a stated return/defective policy and you're far less likely to be disappointed. Model Trains are far easier to buy online than 5K vintage bass guitars  |
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Post by curtmc on Mar 5, 2015 12:56:42 GMT -8
New stuff, just released, at MSRP but with free shipping...
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Post by thebessemerkid on Mar 5, 2015 12:59:24 GMT -8
Finally someone else that can see the trees for the forest. At the same time, if Klein's did make a larger order and two months from now 24 models were still in stock, we'd be having a thread on this very forum about how stale stock is a ruining the hobby or words to that effect. IF YOU REALLY WANT a certain model or models then you MUST place reservations. Klein's no reservation system stinks and that is totally their fault too. If you really want. Many don't, or won't be bothered. So their money stays in their wallet. You write as if Model Trains are like ice water in the Sahara to hobbyists. They aren't. Discretionary hobby funds are just that. If a particular item is out of stock, there are dozens of other good items available. Anything that is uber-vital can be reserved, chanced at delivery or bought at a premium. I broke my own rule on not preordering a year ago on a bunch of Spring Mills Depot's I5 cabeese. Got a $5 discount. A year later I have nothing. Not gonna do it again (probably) I have plenty of other trains if I miss out on some. YMMV. |
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Post by curtmc on Mar 5, 2015 13:00:20 GMT -8
LOL... Must be lucky to have a LHS that still does model trains at discount. Many/most can't do that. I consider MBK as my local store - 80 miles away and the shipping is cheaper than the gas spent to get there and back...
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Post by curtmc on Mar 5, 2015 13:14:41 GMT -8
Bikedude, I hope you got those GP30s. I saw the recent Walthers/Proto Southern GP30s at MBK just after they were listed too (4 each SKU if I recall correctly, another "is that all they got?" reaction) and nearly got a non-sound pair, but didn't... If I had been looking to flip some units and make $$$ it would have been a sure bet, but that's not my aim in this hobby.
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Post by atsfan on Mar 5, 2015 13:53:12 GMT -8
Wow...... When I wanted some Genesis locomotives (after seeing the announcement) I went to my LHS and had him order me the 4 I wanted, he discounts and if the models aren't in good shape I don't buy them ( haven't had any QC issues) then I forget about it until they come out. My LHS calls when they show, I pay him and go home happy. Deal with someone you trust that has a stated return/defective policy and you're far less likely to be disappointed. Model Trains are far easier to buy online than 5K vintage bass guitars What LHS do you use to pre order at a discount? Most people don't have an LHS anywhere near them |
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Post by bigblow69 on Mar 5, 2015 14:07:03 GMT -8
I'm pretty much through with the pre-order a model sight unseen with maybe an exception to certain manufactures rolling stock or containers. If I don't get it oh well, I really want the UP flarez with the full height door a year and half wait most likely.
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Post by wmrdgfan on Mar 5, 2015 14:30:45 GMT -8
I'm pretty much through with the pre-order a model sight unseen with maybe an exception to certain manufactures rolling stock or containers. If I don't get it oh well, I really want the UP flarez with the full height door a year and half wait most likely. Same here.... the other thing that bothers me about the preorder system today is that everything that I want always seems to come at the same time. Like now, we have flaired radiator sd70ms, Bowser c636s, c628s, and just past week or so BLI h10s. Not to mention that If I were to preorder the things I wanted that have been announced , they are all due to come in November and December of this year. Bad time of year for spending money on myself. I just cant understand how all these marketing geniuses cant come up with a better system. I am done with preorders, and as you said, If I don't get it ,OH WELL! |
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Post by TBird1958 on Mar 5, 2015 14:31:06 GMT -8
Wow...... When I wanted some Genesis locomotives (after seeing the announcement) I went to my LHS and had him order me the 4 I wanted, he discounts and if the models aren't in good shape I don't buy them ( haven't had any QC issues) then I forget about it until they come out. My LHS calls when they show, I pay him and go home happy. Deal with someone you trust that has a stated return/defective policy and you're far less likely to be disappointed. Model Trains are far easier to buy online than 5K vintage bass guitars What LHS do you use to pre order at a discount? Most people don't have an LHS anywhere near them Really nice guy, great shop. I also visit www.electrictrainshop.com/ very folksey and fun, with lots of bits from estate sales. My need for locos is pretty much met, I buy the ones that suit my prototype choice and pass on the rest. Athearn announced GP40-2s in Rio Grande quite a long time ago and they were the missing piece from my roster, I visited with Scott at The Electric Train shop, ordered them, discussed price based on what was current at the time, and paid for them when I picked them up. Steve at the inside gateway would do they same, I just try to divide what dollars I do spend on the hobby between these two shops as a way of supporting them. I'd never waste my time with MBK based on what I've read here,even before this thread, frankly, they seem to act more like they don't want your business. |
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Post by WP 257 on Mar 5, 2015 14:47:39 GMT -8
Not defending MBK, but if I recall they changed to this policy because their previous pre-order policy did not work well for them. Don't know why it didn't work for them, only that they pretty clearly stated at the time that a change was needed.
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Post by atsfan on Mar 5, 2015 15:35:15 GMT -8
What LHS do you use to pre order at a discount? Most people don't have an LHS anywhere near them Really nice guy, great shop. I also visit www.electrictrainshop.com/ very folksey and fun, with lots of bits from estate sales. My need for locos is pretty much met, I buy the ones that suit my prototype choice and pass on the rest. Athearn announced GP40-2s in Rio Grande quite a long time ago and they were the missing piece from my roster, I visited with Scott at The Electric Train shop, ordered them, discussed price based on what was current at the time, and paid for them when I picked them up. Steve at the inside gateway would do they same, I just try to divide what dollars I do spend on the hobby between these two shops as a way of supporting them. I'd never waste my time with MBK based on what I've read here,even before this thread, frankly, they seem to act more like they don't want your business. Thanks I had not heard of them. |
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Post by atsfan on Mar 5, 2015 15:39:39 GMT -8
Not defending MBK, but if I recall they changed to this policy because their previous pre-order policy did not work well for them. Don't know why it didn't work for them, only that they pretty clearly stated at the time that a change was needed. The issue with them was people would pre order and then not buy them. Most likely because they are a faceless mail order outfit to most people, and, given train orders are shorted all the time, people would pre order from several places in order to get one item. Harder to do with a store you know the owner of etc. So Kliens orders some small amount, throws them on the website, and sells out in 11 minutes, and moves on. |
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Post by atsfan on Mar 5, 2015 15:45:29 GMT -8
For those who may have one of these, how are the handrails and light bulbs?
I am waiting on MTH Dash 9s. Long wait........
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 16:00:12 GMT -8
No, you can't always get what you want
But if you try sometime, you just might find
You get what you need.
Sir Michael Philip Jagger
(London School of Economics and musician)
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Post by upcsx on Mar 5, 2015 16:10:41 GMT -8
I did not pre order but have two NS units from MBK and one NS and one UP from the LHS.
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Post by curtmc on Mar 5, 2015 16:12:57 GMT -8
Lombard now has the CN SD70s, BNSF SD75Is and NS SD70Ms listed but no UP SD70Ms... Not even pages showing sold out.
Do you think that they didn't order enough to even post any available online, or do you think they got shorted?
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