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Post by davidmbedard on Dec 23, 2015 21:27:43 GMT -8
As per usual, the moderators over at Model Railroader have not only stroked their own egos by banning me....but also using the "agressive" reason. I have never been agressive towards anyone on any forum...ever. I do, however refuse to sugar coat anything as I feel it better serves the modeler.
However, I have been mostly a lurker over here on ARF since the forum dump at Atlas. Perhaps I'll get a better ear over here? Thicker skin over here? Better...gasp.....modeling over here? I'll be participating more here.
Perhaps my fellow Canadian ex-moderator Selector can explain to me Steve Otte's issue with me? On one hand he encourages me to produce and submit a scratchbuilding article for the mag....and on the other hand says I've been supervised on the forums? I don't get it.
David Bedard
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Post by bncascadegreen on Dec 24, 2015 6:10:09 GMT -8
Welcome! I`m a fellow opinionated model railroader too.
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Post by atsfan on Dec 24, 2015 6:16:18 GMT -8
Don't know. There is a difference between aggressive and helpful.
When you write "I do, however refuse to sugar coat anything as I feel it better serves the modeler", it
can mean many things.
Will have to see in practice what you mean by "refuse to sugar coat". Welcome.
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Dec 24, 2015 7:29:29 GMT -8
I guess I missed it, David, but what happened over there?
The MR Forum (since Trains.com took over) has always been more of a "rainbow and unicorns" place, while the Atlas Forum & Atlas Rescue Forum have been for more serious discussion topics that result in strong opinions.
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Post by Judge Doom on Dec 24, 2015 7:58:38 GMT -8
Maybe we should be asking to see some references (links to past discussions on MR) to be the judge of that. Often times people "sugar coat" their own opinions of what they think they're posting or doing, and not seeing what they're posting or what they're saying like everyone else does...be it a problem or not.
Did we really need a topic created about someone on the internet being banned for ~250 years from MR? Just sign up with a different/new account and try not to ruffle their feathers - their forum, their rules.
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Post by jwb on Dec 24, 2015 8:22:30 GMT -8
I'm wondering if at least one thread in question is this one cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/252750.aspx For some reason, I realized when I posted it (I couldn't change the user name from my subscriber name, but would have if I could) that it would be controversial. When I checked the thread, I saw a record in "my discussions" that said davidmbedard had posted a reply, but the reply has apparently been deleted. So I don't know if this was involved. This goes to the quirkiness (and basic uselessness) of forums, it seems to me. I posted a pretty simply question: what, if any, type of DCC socket is on the most recent Walthers Mainline 8-40B? One guy had nothing to say, but suggested I call Walthers. This is typical forum behavior: I don't know the answer, but I'll one-up you anyhow, under the guise of being "helpful". I simply don't know if davidmbedard had the answer to my question about the Walthers DCC socket. I suspect he didn't. |
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Post by wp8thsub on Dec 24, 2015 8:55:12 GMT -8
I don't know Mr. Bedard, but as a regular participant on the MR forum I've seen many of his posts. I don't recall him being what I'd call "aggressive" or engaging in flaming. He shouldn't be a problem around these parts.
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Post by WP 257 on Dec 24, 2015 9:10:41 GMT -8
We sometimes forget that written posts on a forum do not adequately convey the tone or mood of the writer, or what the writer intended, and get unnecessarily heated at times.
I keep trying to read the MR forums, but just in actual practice have not found the depth of information that I was looking for there.
I do think there is a way to voice criticism honestly, constructively, without unnecessarily putting down manufacturers.
Welcome.
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Post by jwb on Dec 24, 2015 9:12:09 GMT -8
I'm wondering if at least one thread in question is this one cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/252750.aspx For some reason, I realized when I posted it (I couldn't change the user name from my subscriber name, but would have if I could) that it would be controversial. When I checked the thread, I saw a record in "my discussions" that said davidmbedard had posted a reply, but the reply has apparently been deleted. So I don't know if this was involved. This goes to the quirkiness (and basic uselessness) of forums, it seems to me. I posted a pretty simply question: what, if any, type of DCC socket is on the most recent Walthers Mainline 8-40B? One guy had nothing to say, but suggested I call Walthers. This is typical forum behavior: I don't know the answer, but I'll one-up you anyhow, under the guise of being "helpful". I simply don't know if davidmbedard had the answer to my question about the Walthers DCC socket. I suspect he didn't. Well, I'll try to answer your question. If it's like most of Walthers' DCC ready units, it will have a 9 pin jumper, and an 8 pin "hole" where you would solder an 8 pin connector to their board. Here's a puzzling feature of forums, and why I realized after I made my initial post on the MR forum that it would be controversial, even though it ought to have a simple answer. Terry says "if it's like most of Walthers DCC ready units". The problem is that the SW1 switcher, according to the MR review, has an 8 pin NMRA socket, not a 9 pin. But the new run 8-40BW isn't called DCC ready in the product description. I noted this in my initial post on the MR forum. I could have asked Walthers, and I still might, but I think guys who try product support almost anywhere know the answers there are hit-and-miss, too. So the problem goes in some way to the nature of forums, which is that there are people who feel entitled, or compelled, to post answers, no matter how little they know on the subject. And then a simple info request becomes controversial. This is why I've heavily curtailed my involvements in forums. Naturally, if someone has had hands-on experience with the new run 8-40B, I'd love to have the real skrinny. |
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Post by jalajoie on Dec 24, 2015 9:16:14 GMT -8
I am one of your follower on the MR forum, your knowledge of DCC and modeling ability will be an asset on this list
Jack W.
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Post by wp8thsub on Dec 24, 2015 9:20:04 GMT -8
I keep trying to read the MR forums, but just in actual practice have not found the depth of information that I was looking for there. The very reason I participate at MR is because of the volume of low information and otherwise inexperienced hobbyists who go there looking for help. As someone with a lot of modeling experience, I'd like to think I can provide assistance of value here and there. Without veterans on the forum, it becomes a situation of the blind leading the blind. |
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Post by tankcarsrule on Dec 24, 2015 10:51:40 GMT -8
Scratchbuild, what?
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Post by mlehman on Dec 24, 2015 10:58:12 GMT -8
I keep trying to read the MR forums, but just in actual practice have not found the depth of information that I was looking for there. The very reason I participate at MR is because of the volume of low information and otherwise inexperienced hobbyists who go there looking for help. As someone with a lot of modeling experience, I'd like to think I can provide assistance of value here and there. Without veterans on the forum, it becomes a situation of the blind leading the blind. Forums are defined by the rules, but succeed mainly by the active participation they attract. Given Model Railroader's place as the open front door of the hobby, I rather expect a lot of questions that are simple to answer and have been asked before. Nothing wrong with that at all. All too often, someone pulls the old "Search is your friend" non-answer. Well, that might provide something and maybe not. It doesn't preclude a new discussion and well, we all know where Search is, so I can't see offering that as the sum of any answer that's worth the effort. Better to Search and come up with an answer to demonstrate how easy it is -- and that you're trying to be helpful rather than simply run up your post count. Among the sometimes tedious newbie stuff, there is still plenty of worthwhile material at MR. Like anywhere else on the internet, really. ...I do, however refuse to sugar coat anything as I feel it better serves the modeler... Refugees are welcome here, based on what I've seen. I'm not really aware of much life-or-death discussion at MR, here or anywhere else in the hobby. But it's obvious some have such strong feelings. Not sure how being rough-edged helps with persuading anyone about anything, whether to improve their modeling or their interpersonal communication skills. I used to go by the standard that the next model is a little better than the last one. Nowadays, I'm usually just enjoying the ride and hoping it's no worse. Life is too short to worry over what can't be helped with my own skills -- or anyone else's -- so I take people as they are and accept that's what they have to offer. There's plenty more content out there if something doesn't suit me. Plus this forum offers the blessed balm of the Ignore button if something bothers _me_ too much. At least if something really is all about me, I can be honest about that.  |
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Post by shifter on Dec 24, 2015 11:57:54 GMT -8
Maybe we should be asking to see some references (links to past discussions on MR) to be the judge of that. Often times people "sugar coat" their own opinions of what they think they're posting or doing, and not seeing what they're posting or what they're saying like everyone else does...be it a problem or not. Did we really need a topic created about someone on the internet being banned for ~250 years from MR? Just sign up with a different/new account and try not to ruffle their feathers - their forum, their rules. Here you go: forum.atlasrr.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=63970&whichpage=1 |
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Post by WP 257 on Dec 24, 2015 12:37:36 GMT -8
I keep trying to read the MR forums, but just in actual practice have not found the depth of information that I was looking for there. The very reason I participate at MR is because of the volume of low information and otherwise inexperienced hobbyists who go there looking for help. As someone with a lot of modeling experience, I'd like to think I can provide assistance of value here and there. Without veterans on the forum, it becomes a situation of the blind leading the blind. That's very noble--that you want to be helpful. There are times I've attempted to be helpful to people on some forums; however their own preconceived opinions sometimes get in the way, too...and I'll stop there. Merry Christmas to all-- John |
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Post by Judge Doom on Dec 24, 2015 13:23:22 GMT -8
Maybe we should be asking to see some references (links to past discussions on MR) to be the judge of that. Often times people "sugar coat" their own opinions of what they think they're posting or doing, and not seeing what they're posting or what they're saying like everyone else does...be it a problem or not. Did we really need a topic created about someone on the internet being banned for ~250 years from MR? Just sign up with a different/new account and try not to ruffle their feathers - their forum, their rules. Here you go: forum.atlasrr.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=63970&whichpage=1Very revealing thread. Especially: forum.atlasrr.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=63970&whichpage=7I think I'm beginning to see why the chips fell as they did on MR. |
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Post by atsfan on Dec 24, 2015 13:41:18 GMT -8
He posted then on the N scale forum. Not HO. |
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Post by antoniofp45 on Dec 24, 2015 15:00:56 GMT -8
Hello David,
A belated "Welcome". Glad to see another familiar name in this neighborhood!
I still participate in MRR, and contribute info that I hope is helpful to modelers. Although there are a lot of rookies there, seasoned modelers like Doc Wayne, GPaine, Hon30CRitter, and Paul do help to move things forward.
Sorry to read that MRR banned you, which to me is surprising as you've been a member there for years. I don't know what happened but you'll be fine here. There have been disagreements here as well (what scale model forum hasn't experienced that) but we're good about "re-railing" each other back on to the track.
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Post by davidmbedard on Dec 24, 2015 15:03:44 GMT -8
Ok guys....I honestly don't remember that N scale thread.....it was 4 years ago when I was trying to show my cd40 work off. People came on and said why bother and it ruffled my feathers. I deleted the initial post and photos and that's why the thread starts with the cool line...
Lots has happened since then. I have kids now. Much more responsibility. I'm currently embarking on a medium layout in HO scale.....something I enjoy doing.
For those who are wondering why I was booted from MR.....it was because of a sound in N scale thread. I have loads of experience in installing sound decoders in N scale (pro installer)...and I can say that the whole thing is a balancing act that cannot be won. Anyways the OP slandered me by saying I was against N scale and the like.....and I reported him because I've never said that. Steve Otte fired me over a very nasty warning letter about my "aggression" and I pre-empted his ban by requesting my account be deleted. I guess they didn't like that at all. When the browser tries to access the site via Google, it says I've been banned for agression until 2167.
In terms of sugar coating, I'm not going to give props for something that isn't worth giving props to. I remember a fella literally dipping a shell into house paint and posting his great results. I suggested he read up on the wonderful world of airbrushing...and was banned by a mod for some reason. I feel that a pat on the back is given when due.
Anyways, I'd love to contribute if you would have me.
David Bedard
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Post by tankcarsrule on Dec 24, 2015 16:11:02 GMT -8
David, I'll ask again, what do you scratchbuild?
Bobby
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Post by mlehman on Dec 24, 2015 16:38:05 GMT -8
Bobby,
David recently started a styrene build of a nicely done Canadian station (IIRC, CP?) in HO.
That might be vaporware in its original incarnation, presuming David's account is deleted, but perhaps David could post the pics and text here?
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Post by tankcarsrule on Dec 24, 2015 16:47:20 GMT -8
Thanks Mike. I was hoping it was freight cars, but what the hey.
Regards, Bobby
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Post by davidmbedard on Dec 24, 2015 17:32:35 GMT -8
Thanks Mike. I was hoping it was freight cars, but what the hey. Regards, Bobby Yes...he is correct, it was a scratch build of Duncan BC station. I also have 4 other stations to build, a smattering of other railway structures, some railroad customers and rolling stock. None can be bought unfortunately. Anyways, once a project is started, I'll post a thread about it. David Bedard |
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Post by tankcarsrule on Dec 24, 2015 18:20:49 GMT -8
That's good as I too scratchbuild. I've posted on this and other forums including MR. Here's an example of my work.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 18:24:37 GMT -8
Merry Christmas!!!!
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Post by davidmbedard on Dec 24, 2015 18:35:43 GMT -8
That's good as I too scratchbuild. I've posted on this and other forums including MR. Here's an example of my work. That's. ...just......freakishly sweet. |
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Post by tankcarsrule on Dec 24, 2015 18:53:37 GMT -8
Thank you David. I've done several of the multi-axle tanks and did two in brass. One was model of the month in May, 89 MR. AH, those were the days. I got booted off Train Orders a while back. There was a jerk on there that joined our local train club a few years ago. He made me sick, so I quit the club after 25 years. He was a poor excuse for a model RRer, I had to redo everything he did. He started to give me a hard time on TO, so I gave it back. The moderator told me to stop, but I told him to kick me off, because I wouldn't stop, he did.
Regards, Bobby
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Post by davidmbedard on Dec 24, 2015 19:18:05 GMT -8
Here is a crappy icar video I did this.morning. shows the state of my layout with the recent expansion.
I'm exposing myself here for sure. I've got a long way to go.....
David Bedard
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Post by WP 257 on Dec 24, 2015 21:53:45 GMT -8
At least you have a layout. Not everyone on internet train forums actually does--some never get around to building.
Post some updates periodically.
Merry Christmas--
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 23:17:57 GMT -8
Steve Otte fired me over a very nasty warning letter about my "aggression" and I pre-empted his ban by requesting my account be deleted. I guess they didn't like that at all. When the browser tries to access the site via Google, it says I've been banned for agression until 2167. I saw your thread, it was obvious there was something going on outside of that thread. You seemed very worked up. I wouldn't cry over spilled milk though. The website is falling apart - you can't even log in with Internet Explorer anymore. It's a symptom of a dying business. Anyway, welcome, and merry Christmas if that's your thing. |
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