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Post by roadkill on Jul 31, 2018 8:15:55 GMT -8
Hmmm... yea, that pic on their site is an SP or SSW gondola, yet it's quite possibly a hint. My guess? A Pullman-Standard PS-5 gondola. Southern had a metric crapton of them and some are still around in NS company service. I'd buy several.
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Post by NS4122 on Jul 31, 2018 8:34:12 GMT -8
I would definitely prefer the hogshead cars over a pickle car....one of my favorite all time freight cars! I would gladly get rid of my stack of Ambroid kits I've accumulated but not built. I actually built the Ambroid kit, but could never get the wood to like like metal no matter how much sanding sealer I used. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 31, 2018 9:25:03 GMT -8
I found that Floquil paint made excellent sanding sealer. I'd always have a bottle that was "done" but not "gone"--just slather it on with a brush. Neat thing was, because there was pigment, you could see where you were.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 10:35:55 GMT -8
Hmmm... yea, that pic on their site is an SP or SSW gondola, yet it's quite possibly a hint. My guess? A Pullman-Standard PS-5 gondola. Southern had a metric crapton of them and some are still around in NS company service. I'd buy several. Yes, maybe, but Blaine said that there wasn't a state-of-the-art model in this market since several decades. AFAIK, Tangent and Exactrail released several very good models of gondolas in the past years... But there wasn't ANY top 86' boxcar. So I hope. I just hope and wait. Pierre BARBE |
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Post by txcavgr on Jul 31, 2018 10:54:08 GMT -8
I would definitely prefer the hogshead cars over a pickle car....one of my favorite all time freight cars! I would gladly get rid of my stack of Ambroid kits I've accumulated but not built. I actually built the Ambroid kit, but could never get the wood to like like metal no matter how much sanding sealer I used. I was wondering about soda blasting (baking soda) to smooth it? Prime first, soda blast, then paint? (sorry to go off topic!) |
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Post by jbilbrey on Jul 31, 2018 14:23:00 GMT -8
I don't think that is an ESPEE gondola in the the background of the announcement. A Southern Pacific G-70-8 gon had a build date in the 1950's and can be modeled using a Tangent car. The car in the photo was built in 1963 and has corrugated sides. UP maybe?
The announcement could also be read as hinting at two separate cars with the Southern Railway car being sometime in the near future.
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Post by fcixdarrell on Jul 31, 2018 15:00:55 GMT -8
I don't think that is an ESPEE gondola in the the background of the announcement. A Southern Pacific G-70-8 gon had a build date in the 1950's and can be modeled using a Tangent car. The car in the photo was built in 1963 and has corrugated sides. UP maybe? The UP G-70-8 class gondolas were UP 30900-31099, built by GATC in 1962-63. They are 1995 cuft, 52' 6" IL and 4' 0" IL and have corrugated sides. 30900-31049 were equipped with dreadnaught ends and 31050-31099 were equipped with cast steel ends. They were originally dilivered with Ellcon-National hand brakes and 70-ton Barber S-2 trucks. These are the only GATC-built gons that are 1995 cuft, but there could be more. Or, they may be clones of some other builder's similar gons as well. www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=24869Very close to these GBEC-built 2000 cuft cars (class G-70-11): canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=up31588&o=up |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 20:13:33 GMT -8
I don't think its a specific model of a southern railway freight car. From the blog post, it sounds like a small railroad in which its entire fleet mostly consisted of, that the southern railway in particular likely had a few of too. Clinchfield comes to mind, N&W battleship coal gondolas, hmm i don't know.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jul 31, 2018 23:34:55 GMT -8
Hmmm... yea, that pic on their site is an SP or SSW gondola, yet it's quite possibly a hint. My guess? A Pullman-Standard PS-5 gondola. Southern had a metric crapton of them and some are still around in NS company service. I'd buy several. Yes, maybe, but Blaine said that there wasn't a state-of-the-art model in this market since several decades. AFAIK, Tangent and Exactrail released several very good models of gondolas in the past years... But there wasn't ANY top 86' boxcar. So I hope. I just hope and wait. Pierre BARBE The other market that I can think of is that for east-coast open hoppers. ExactRail and Tangent have made state-of-the-art hoppers for western roads, but eastern-road modelers are stuck with old Bowser/Stewart (and Walthers?) products. |
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Post by drolsen on Aug 1, 2018 4:44:23 GMT -8
The gondola in the photo is a GATC-built UP class G-70-8. In a discussion on FB, Blaine posted (on behalf of Arrowhead) the following: “We can help: the car in the announcement photo has nothing to do with our actual announcement. I just thought it looked cool.” Part of what I took from the hint is that he’s saying that the fact that it’s a Eastern or Southeastern prototype is the significant part of this new release, since many modelers of that region feel that specific Eastern prototypes have been neglected by major manufacturers. Of course, the ExactRail P-S waffleside box car could throw that idea off... Adding to Colin’s comment, I’d like to think that an Eastern Bethlehem / Raceland triple hopper is a possibility. After the release of ExactRail’s fantastic DRGW and MP hoppers, I asked Blaine (while he was still there) if he would consider an Eastern hopper in the future like this one: drolsen.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=596869Dave |
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Post by nstophat on Aug 1, 2018 10:05:13 GMT -8
Okay, that is subtle. Hey Southern modelers.... What is a numerous car that the Southern has, that isn't a 50' waffle box or Big John, already covered by EXR? I would love a tobacco hogshead car (showed up in northern California carrying tires and office furniture), but "numerous" doesn't come to mind with that car. The following are Significant Southern Cars that that have not been done in high fidelity: Hoghead cars Magor 5325 cf Big Johns (Center Trough Hatches) Greenville / Magor 7,000 cf Woodchips Greenville 3,600 cf 3 Bay Cross Dump Coal Hopper, which had embossed side stiffeners Pullman 4,000 cf 3 Bay Covered Hopper (Southern & Sandersville RR's) Greenville 2,100 cf 2 Bay Aggregate Hopper SIECO 55' Pig Flat - 70 ton converted from box cars Pullman 60' Waffle Boxes Pullman 1745 cf Mill Gon (70 & 100 ton versions) Youngstown Roll-up and Sliding Door Box Cars Pullman 10,000 cf 4 & 8 Door High Cube boxes FGE 50' 5145 or 5237 cf Insulated Beer Boxes Pullman 5277 cf Waffle-less Box cars, same rib configuration as the EXR Waffle Box, less the waffles Greenville 3,600 cf 4 bay Cross Dump Coal Hopper (19 ribs) Ortner 4 bay 3,600 cf Rapid Discharge Car If I had a guess, based on what has posted in the blog videos, I would personally lean towards the converted Pig Flat. Regards, Russ |
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Post by nsc39d8 on Aug 1, 2018 12:17:09 GMT -8
Southern's 5277's that have not been done are the 12 rib cars like this one: www.rr-fallenflags.org/sout/sou526474ach.jpgThe 5277's like the Exactrail waffle have been done by Athearn and Intermountain, not saying they are great models but as stand in's. I have not been able to find a picture of a Southern 5277 with the 10 posts per side like the waffle cars. If you have one I would like to see it. I am one that really would like the hogshead car or the 5277's, but will purchase anything Southern that has not been produced before. |
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Post by drolsen on Aug 1, 2018 15:01:28 GMT -8
The 5277's like the Exactrail waffle have been done by Athearn and Intermountain, not saying they are great models but as stand in's. I have not been able to find a picture of a Southern 5277 with the 10 posts per side like the waffle cars. If you have one I would like to see it. That’s correct - the plain sided SOU PS 5277s have a different side post arrangement compared to the ExactRail waffleside prototype. They also have early sine wave ends (like the early wafflesides), when compared to the late square corrugations of the ExactRail car: PS 5277: drolsen.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4233456Early PS 5277 Waffleside: drolsen.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4233455Late PS 5277 Waffleside: drolsen.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4233454It would be a scratchbuild project (or at least carving the ribs and ends off an Intermountain car and making earlier ends) to model the plain SOU PS 5277. I’d love to have a model... Dave |
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Post by GP40P-2 on Aug 1, 2018 16:35:13 GMT -8
Russ, James and/or Dave:
Can any of you confirm that the EXR is a late waffle box, and the Wrighttrak is an early, or do I have it mixed up?
Thanks
Jim
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Post by drolsen on Aug 1, 2018 18:05:51 GMT -8
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Post by GP40P-2 on Aug 1, 2018 18:39:51 GMT -8
Thank you Dave. Excellent comparison to work from. I do need to reinforce the number and quality of SOU cars on my roster, as they were frequent visitors to the west.
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Post by nsc39d8 on Aug 2, 2018 5:39:41 GMT -8
Dave, Thanks for the work on the Southern waffle sides! I like that picture of the 5277 as well. I have the same problem of keeping the timeline straight on the waffle cars. Now the good news, I am working on the project for the Southern 5277 and plan on using the Intermountain car. I have the ends cast in resin by a good friend, Tony Sissons, for the 5277's. They might be available now on his website on Zenfolio. If all goes well this project will be in my clinic at the RPM Carolinas meet in Oct 19 & 20, 2018. Clinic will cover three to four different kit bashed Boxcars. PWRS is doing the 12 rib PS but it is the 5077. I have got to go the Spencer, NC and measure the 5277 NS donated to the museum there. It is the one Southenr received from PS in the blue, yellow and green scheme. I hear the museum is going to repaint it in that as delivered scheme. www.rr-fallenflags.org/sout/sou550555ppa.jpg |
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Post by drolsen on Aug 2, 2018 11:24:10 GMT -8
Jim and James, No problem - the SOU wafflesides are favorite subject of mine. At the risk of derailing the Arrowhead discussion further, I started upgrading one of my ExactRail models three years ago (hard to believe I haven’t had a chance to go back to work on the project since). You can see the detail upgrades I was making here. I want to model a half dozen or so cars with different paint schemes and door variations. I’m excited to see what Arrowhead announces tomorrow to see if it will fit into my SOU modeling side interests (I’m primarily a CSX modeler). James - Tony’s parts are amazing. I don’t see his resin P-S ends on his website but hopefully will have the chance to ask him about them at the Mid-Atlantic RPM meet next month. Dave |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 12:36:31 GMT -8
Blaine,
If you see this. Around what time tomorrow are you announcing so I can keep an eye on your web site.
Just in case it is a car I can use. I can jump on it quickly before they sell out.
Brian
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Post by fcixdarrell on Aug 2, 2018 14:27:27 GMT -8
PWRS is doing the 12 rib PS but it is the 5077. Also doing the 10-post 5077, but it's still a plate B car... Darrell |
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Post by nsc39d8 on Aug 2, 2018 15:03:10 GMT -8
Darrell,
I have been watching with interest, I am thinking about the relettered Railbox for Southern.
James Wall
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Post by simulatortrain on Aug 3, 2018 4:34:51 GMT -8
Jim and James, No problem - the SOU wafflesides are favorite subject of mine. At the risk of derailing the Arrowhead discussion further, I started upgrading one of my ExactRail models three years ago (hard to believe I haven’t had a chance to go back to work on the project since). You can see the detail upgrades I was making here. I want to model a half dozen or so cars with different paint schemes and door variations. I’m excited to see what Arrowhead announces tomorrow to see if it will fit into my SOU modeling side interests (I’m primarily a CSX modeler). James - Tony’s parts are amazing. I don’t see his resin P-S ends on his website but hopefully will have the chance to ask him about them at the Mid-Atlantic RPM meet next month. Dave Nice work on the upgrade! Good to know Tony will be at the RPM (I will as well) as the early waffle boxes are the only ones that fit into my era. Now to figure out what to do about the EXR 7315 ends... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 5:17:46 GMT -8
August 3 is here. According to the website, the announcement should be today. Is that today this morning, this afternoon, evening, one minute before midnight? I've got his web page open in one window and his facebook page open in another. Ready on both fronts. Brian |
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Post by roadkill on Aug 3, 2018 5:21:29 GMT -8
Same here, Brian!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 5:25:38 GMT -8
I wonder if we can shut his web site down today with traffic.
I do hope it is something I can use and plenty of. Would love to throw some of my expendable income his way to help make this first release a big success.
Brian
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Post by roadkill on Aug 3, 2018 6:01:14 GMT -8
I hear ya, Jim  ! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 6:06:12 GMT -8
The timing is right for me. The last couple months I did a big sell off on ebay and have it ready in my Paypal account. The last of my ebay sell off ends this afternoon and everything is in the green. If it is something I can use then the order will get placed promptly. If not, then it will be there for something else in some manufacturers pipeline.
Brian
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 6:19:41 GMT -8
Karnak is in business.
The announcement will go live at noon today; Per Blaine.
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Post by roadkill on Aug 3, 2018 7:06:31 GMT -8
Karnak is in business. The announcement will go live at noon today; Per Blaine. Yeabut... noon in what time zone  ? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 7:09:46 GMT -8
Noon mountain time?
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