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Post by snootie3257 on Jul 4, 2019 12:42:42 GMT -8
Sorry about that! I couldn't resist. What, that I quoted myself? I can’t think of a better person to quote me😀. Steve |
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Post by csx3305 on Jul 4, 2019 17:40:45 GMT -8
This week’s 49.95 VTTX ebay specials are probably the same cars bought from Klein’s last week for substantially less. I will pass.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 20:30:53 GMT -8
I think CSX 602 is someone that used to be on here...His writing (and ranting) is familiar.
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Post by riogrande on Jul 5, 2019 2:46:38 GMT -8
This from Jim Eager over at the MCFL:
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Post by snootie3257 on Jul 5, 2019 3:11:55 GMT -8
This from Jim Eager over at the MCFL: Kinda makes one wonder how bad Walthers will screw up the 85’ PS flats. I know if anyone can, it’s Walthers. Steve |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 5, 2019 4:01:21 GMT -8
This from Jim Eager over at the MCFL: Kinda makes one wonder how bad Walthers will screw up the 85’ PS flats. I know if anyone can, it’s Walthers. Steve Agree'd. They seems to be spotty in that regard. Walthers really needs to get into the 21st century and be more accessible to the modeling community via social media and forums etc, and be a bit more like Tangent, ExactRail and ScaleTrains, even Athearn, and interact and maybe catch some things and correct them. I don't know why they still hide behind a company wall that and let stuff like this happen. It's not doing their company image any favors. |
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Post by schroed2 on Jul 5, 2019 4:01:46 GMT -8
This from Jim Eager over at the MCFL: to be fair, Jim Eager corrected this statement to a degree in a later post also on the MFCL "so here's hoping that the actual production cars will not duplicate the error" So the question is: can anybody who has the new cars already post some pictures ? I have two brown on order but they have not been received by my german dealer... |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 5, 2019 4:24:38 GMT -8
This from Jim Eager over at the MCFL: to be fair, Jim Eager corrected this statement to a degree in a later post also on the MFCL "so here's hoping that the actual production cars will not duplicate the error" So the question is: can anybody who has the new cars already post some pictures ? I have two brown on order but they have not been received by my german dealer... I did see that yes. I have one coming but hasn't arrived yet so I can't confirm if the production car is as Jim Eager commented or not. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 5, 2019 6:52:34 GMT -8
Kinda makes one wonder how bad Walthers will screw up the 85’ PS flats. I know if anyone can, it’s Walthers. Steve I don't recall Walthers announcing 85' PS flats. Please provide some more info. Sounds interesting. Ed |
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Post by snootie3257 on Jul 5, 2019 7:07:46 GMT -8
Kinda makes one wonder how bad Walthers will screw up the 85’ PS flats. I know if anyone can, it’s Walthers. Steve I don't recall Walthers announcing 85' PS flats. Please provide some more info. Sounds interesting. Ed Excuse me. I meant General American 85’ flatcar. Sorry about that 🥴. That’s what happens when you haven’t finished your morning cup of coffee. Steve |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 5, 2019 7:12:03 GMT -8
Kinda makes one wonder how bad Walthers will screw up the 85’ PS flats. I know if anyone can, it’s Walthers. Steve I don't recall Walthers announcing 85' PS flats. Please provide some more info. Sounds interesting. Ed Probably a typo for 85' GA flats. It would be cool is a new HQ PS 85' flat car was in the works but I'd rather someone else do it like ScaleTrains. www.model160.com/n-scale-news-blog/intermodal-flat-cars-the-85-pioneers/ |
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Post by fr8kar on Jul 5, 2019 17:38:48 GMT -8
Anyone backdating these cars to the yellow Trailer Train scheme? I'm curious which decals would be the best fit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 19:49:06 GMT -8
I saw those G85 pig flats at Trainfest. They actually looked pretty good. They had some molded on grabs...but the main sill part was a heavy cast metal frame...and the detail wasn't too bad. The molded on grabs could be shaved off...but as usual...good luck getting any undecs. I guess that's one way to drive up demand...announce something and make a run of 15 (sarcasm).
Good luck getting them to listen...you might as well be talking to a recorded message, IMO.
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Post by el3672 on Jul 5, 2019 20:20:50 GMT -8
Walthers, no more damm molded on grabs!!!! I've got to many other projects
going on and don't have the time to be shaving off molded on grabs.
Now the G85's?? Please only, just the grab iron dimple drill marks.
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Post by 12bridge on Jul 6, 2019 17:50:42 GMT -8
Anyone backdating these cars to the yellow Trailer Train scheme? I'm curious which decals would be the best fit. Microscale 87-670 are drop on replacements.  |
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Post by sd40dash2 on Jul 6, 2019 18:25:17 GMT -8
12bridge, can you post some more photos? Did you weather those rivets or do they come that way? This car looks good.
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Jul 6, 2019 18:50:39 GMT -8
Anyone backdating these cars to the yellow Trailer Train scheme? I'm curious which decals would be the best fit. I got my pair today and will be backdating them! |
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Post by sd40dash2 on Jul 6, 2019 19:41:25 GMT -8
ebay update: The auction for the first-run VTTX is currently up to $74US. The three second-run BIN auctions all sold at $49.95US and the seller relisted one at $59.95US. I'm guessing the latter seller is the one who cleaned out MBK.
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Post by csx3305 on Jul 6, 2019 20:10:06 GMT -8
Somebody shelled out 50 doll hairs each for a model with molded-on grabs, just to keep up with the model railroading Jones’ of the Internet? What a maroon.
In other news, I found a reasonably priced source for the Yellow OTTX cars, but since it appears they botched them, I guess I won’t be pursuing that option either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 20:36:37 GMT -8
I have a couple Trailer Train 85’ cars on reserve at Walthers. I’ll shave the molded grabs off the ends...replace and patch paint. Weathering should hide those areas...
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Post by sp8299 on Jul 6, 2019 21:24:35 GMT -8
Anyone backdating these cars to the yellow Trailer Train scheme? I'm curious which decals would be the best fit. For grins and giggles, I slapped on a few of the elements I created for the custom set I made for these onto one of my remaining “stock” unmodified VTTX flats. New black backgrounds, various data (like the folding pedestal instructions that were omitted from the factory-decorated model), custom stencil-style numbers and reporting marks, a couple of different styles of “TT” logos, and Trailer Train branding with stencil breaks were some of the elements I created and had printed. They’re still wet with Microsol in the shot.🤓  pbase.com/image/169461649 |
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Post by sp8299 on Jul 6, 2019 21:36:53 GMT -8
I have a couple Trailer Train 85’ cars on reserve at Walthers. I’ll shave the molded grabs off the ends...replace and patch paint. Weathering should hide those areas... While I’d have preferred separate grabs, or at least dimples and NBWs, I’d imagine they’ll clean up easily. This VTTX car is a good example (now that image upload is working for me). I shaved off the stock grabs, bent new ones from phosphor-bronze wire, and added them along with DA NBW details, along with a ton of other changes. Hoping to paint it sometime this weekend. ![]() pbase.com/sp_8299/image/169435723/medium.jpg![]()  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 3:48:24 GMT -8
Looks great!!!
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Post by drolsen on Jul 7, 2019 6:05:57 GMT -8
That looks fantastic! I’ll have to pre-order a couple of the VTTX flats next time they run them. They’re really unique cars, and despite the molded parts (which obviously can be fixed), I’m really glad Walthers produced a model of them. I’ve just been caught up with other things in life and haven’t had time to follow these new releases.
Dave
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Post by sp8299 on Jul 7, 2019 19:05:58 GMT -8
ebay update: The auction for the first-run VTTX is currently up to $74US. The three second-run BIN auctions all sold at $49.95US and the seller relisted one at $59.95US. I'm guessing the latter seller is the one who cleaned out MBK. Now up to $112! 😮💰😮💰😮 |
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Post by sd40dash2 on Jul 7, 2019 20:02:02 GMT -8
^ That ended up being the final sale price.
The other BIN at $59.95 sold quickly, no further listings at this time.
Still waiting for an explanation about why this particular car was in such high demand compared to anything else.
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Post by csx3305 on Jul 7, 2019 22:56:15 GMT -8
^ That ended up being the final sale price. The other BIN at $59.95 sold quickly, no further listings at this time. Still waiting for an explanation about why this particular car was in such high demand compared to anything else. Deliberate underproduction, and deep pocketed individuals who want to feel privileged to have them. |
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Post by WFN12 on Jul 8, 2019 0:30:29 GMT -8
^ That ended up being the final sale price. The other BIN at $59.95 sold quickly, no further listings at this time. Still waiting for an explanation about why this particular car was in such high demand compared to anything else. Every auction this guy has goes for a lot. I suspect a lot of shill bidding is going on in his auctions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 5:31:23 GMT -8
OK, I admit to overpaying for an ExactRail Center Beam...but that car is a superior model to this Walthers car. Heck, Moloco cars cost just under $60. They are SUPERB models; and again superior in quality and authenticity to the Walthers' middle-of-the-road model.
A few years back I paid my property taxes selling two Walther's Valley Cement kits on eBay for absolutely ridiculous amounts...but I started them at auction low and set their reserve at MSRP. They went for crazy man money. But I didn't ask for a mint right off the bat.
Both amazing and silly, IMO.
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Post by fr8kar on Jul 8, 2019 5:51:22 GMT -8
I bought one of the cars on ebay at fifty bucks, and although I'd loved to have paid twenty from MB Klein, I missed out again on these both direct from Walthers (I couldn't figure out the ordering system) and from every other online shop I buy from. Fifty is high for these cars, but cheaper than 3D printing a flatcar (been there, done that) and much easier than scratchbuilding one (also been there, done that).
It's a matter of supply and demand. I'd rather Walthers make the extra money on the demand for these cars instead of resellers, but that's what placing a conservative bet gets them. They sold all they made and met their production and sales goals. If their goals had been higher they would have made more money, but the risk was greater to do that.
As far as the demand for these cars is concerned, if you wonder what service they performed or when and where they were used, you're probably not the person willing to spend double their face value for them. I've been looking forward to them since the samples were first shown in 2017. Once I held one in my hand I knew I'd have to get a few of them. It's easy to balk at such a high price if it's not a car you want. These cars may share bones with the other flat cars from this run, but these are the superior model of the group.
I don't have any problem cutting off molded on grabs or other details, either. There are tons of models out there that only exist in a crappy toy-like version from AHM, Tyco, Bachmann, etc. and several more that exist only as "Operator" or "Mainline" or "Proto1000" -esque versions that are dimensionally accurate but not Tangent or Genesis level cars. You can either go the route of Bobby Pitts or Paul Ellis and build your own Tangent level car from one of those toy models, or you can wait for a better model. When I was younger I'd simply wait or scratchbuild. But anymore I say life is short.
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