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Post by fishbelly on Oct 20, 2021 14:05:50 GMT -8
Why does Athearn need Pre-production photos of the DDA40X if they have already tooled the model. Are they making changes/ corrections?
Now what would be way cool is an all new tooled DD35!
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Post by MILWmodeler on Oct 20, 2021 14:38:54 GMT -8
Why does Athearn need Pre-production photos of the DDA40X if they have already tooled the model. Are they making changes/ corrections? Now what would be way cool is an all new tooled DD35! Two part answer. Any sample before production is a pre-production sample. This includes samples that are created to check painting masks or new part fit. Also, there is quite a bit of new tooling on these. These have been upgraded to Athearn's Genesis 2.0
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Post by fr8kar on Oct 20, 2021 16:29:17 GMT -8
So this is going to happen. Athearn's never sold these trucks as packaged parts, but we're going to add them. With current shipping backlog, they won't be available until 2022. They'll most likely arrive on the same container with the Tank Train cars that were announced March 2021. Awesome! You just saved me a lot of time.
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Post by mdvle on Oct 26, 2021 15:48:45 GMT -8
Athearn Train Tuesday - October 26th 2021 Beginning - N scale 0:18 - South Dakota State Railway Museum - this is where he was last week and why we had a pre-recorded episode last week - shows some photos 0:25 - in studio - video of Genesis ICG GP38-2, in stock recently. 0:30 - Q&A - website now has photos of most the the Dash-9 units, should arrive soon (by end November?) - SD70ACu update? - shipping delays - doing CSX, UP, ... AC4400? - I think you are going to be happy - when announce SW1500? - before end of the year. Friday - 3:30 CDT - November announcements YouTube link
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Post by cemr5396 on Oct 26, 2021 20:04:16 GMT -8
Jim also hinted at something UP and six axle.... possibly the SD59MX they said they were working on?
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Post by unit on Oct 28, 2021 21:47:11 GMT -8
Jim also hinted at something UP and six axle.... possibly the SD59MX they said they were working on? The October announcements are now showing up on the Athearn web site, and they have a UP SD59M-2 listed.
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Post by middledivision on Oct 29, 2021 5:20:27 GMT -8
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Post by cera2254 on Oct 29, 2021 5:40:55 GMT -8
Looks like they are doing one number with ditch lights.
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Post by middledivision on Oct 29, 2021 7:36:18 GMT -8
It's a CP patch.
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Post by cemr5396 on Oct 29, 2021 8:51:01 GMT -8
That's not entirely true, but the wording in the announcement is rather poor so I won't blame you for that. As you may or may not know CP never 'patched' or re-classified any of the SOO SD60s to CP units before they went in for rebuild and emerged as the CP 62xx series. This was because they occupied the same number series as a batch of CP SD40-2s so there would have been a conflict. the only difference with that one is it's missing the small SOO logo on the nose and the small 'Proud to be part of CP Rail System' under the numbers. It would take maybe 10 minutes and one decal to fix that.
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Post by MILWmodeler on Oct 29, 2021 9:05:36 GMT -8
the only difference is it's missing the small SOO logo on the nose and the small 'Proud to be part of CP Rail System' under the numbers. It would take maybe 10 minutes and one decal to fix that. If there's significant interest, I might consider having the factory include the decal. Of course there will be future runs with more road numbers and more options too.
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Post by mdvle on Oct 29, 2021 13:43:58 GMT -8
Athearn November 2021 Announcements 0:03 - Genesis 2.0 - SD59M-2 0:08 - Genesis 2.0 - SD60M 0:19 - RTR - SD40-2 0:24 - RTR - 60' Gunderson Double Door High-Cube Boxcar 0:31 - RTR - RTC 20,900 Gallon Tank Car 0:35 - Roundhouse - 50' Boxcar 0:41 - Roundhouse - 30' Flatcar 0:42 - N Scale 0:45 - Q&A YouTube link
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Post by mdvle on Nov 2, 2021 13:13:43 GMT -8
Athearn Train Tuesday - November 2nd 2021 - Developer Jon joins to discuss things 0:02 - Genesis 2.0 - SD59M-2 0:19 - Genesis 2.0 - SD60M 0:35 - Q&A - SD70ACu? - they are on the water, should be soon - more truck models, police cars, ambulances, ...? - there are some vehicles in the works, a hole in the hobby they want to spend more time on. 0:40 - in studio video of production sample Dash-9 (NS) - hoping before end of month arrival - next week's show will be pre-recorded YouTube link
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Post by csxt8400 on Nov 3, 2021 8:41:25 GMT -8
That's not entirely true, but the wording in the announcement is rather poor so I won't blame you for that. As you may or may not know CP never 'patched' or re-classified any of the SOO SD60s to CP units before they went in for rebuild and emerged as the CP 62xx series. This was because they occupied the same number series as a batch of CP SD40-2s so there would have been a conflict. the only difference with that one is it's missing the small SOO logo on the nose and the small 'Proud to be part of CP Rail System' under the numbers. It would take maybe 10 minutes and one decal to fix that. The 6062 never had the SOO logo on the nose. www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1881719
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Post by csxt8400 on Nov 3, 2021 8:42:51 GMT -8
the only difference is it's missing the small SOO logo on the nose and the small 'Proud to be part of CP Rail System' under the numbers. It would take maybe 10 minutes and one decal to fix that. If there's significant interest, I might consider having the factory include the decal. Of course there will be future runs with more road numbers and more options too.
It would be really nice if you could include ditchlights on all the numbers listed, if you guys are interested in making changes. I stated elsewhere that those things didn't even make it two years into their life without ditchlights.
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Post by cemr5396 on Nov 3, 2021 15:22:59 GMT -8
huh. That's interesting... was it just that one?
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Post by csxt8400 on Nov 3, 2021 15:56:12 GMT -8
huh. That's interesting... was it just that one? Indeed it was.
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Post by hovehicle on Nov 3, 2021 17:38:53 GMT -8
Very glad to hear that Athearn is considering vehicles again. I would love to see the 2011 Ford Explorer and F-150. We need a modern police SUV for the 2010's and the RPS 2008 Ford Expedition is getting dated. By the way, the 2011 Explorer (police) and civilian Explorer have very similar bodies. The newest Ford F-150 in plastic is the 1996 version from Atlas!
Vito L.
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Post by sd80mac on Nov 4, 2021 7:04:24 GMT -8
Agreed on the SOO SD60Ms without ditch lights. That's a VERY small window of time.
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Post by middledivision on Nov 7, 2021 13:33:33 GMT -8
^^^ Yeppers.
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Post by cprail3000 on Nov 7, 2021 13:58:45 GMT -8
Only one Soo Line ordered due to the lack of ditchlights on the other two.
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Post by mdvle on Nov 9, 2021 13:54:10 GMT -8
Athearn Train Tuesday - November 9th 2021 this is a pre-recorded event so no Q&A 0:02 - RTR - SD40-2 0:07 - RTR - 60' Gunderson Box Cars 0:11 - RTR - 20,900 gallon tank car 0:15 - Jim shows a production sample of the Dash-9 from his studio - BCRail Back live next week
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Post by stevewagner on Nov 16, 2021 6:18:50 GMT -8
Nov. 16, 2021, 9:15 a.m., EST
I have found movie's updates and summaries very helpful.
Does anyone know whether Athearn will have a session today?
I'm assuming that since the next pre-order deadline is Nov. 26 Athearn will most likely NOT be posting monthly new product announcements on Nov. 19, even though it's the fourth Friday of the month, which is their usual day for it. The fact that the 26th is the day after Thanksgiving (in the USA) makes me wonder whether they'll be up that day either. I would appreciate any updates from anyone who sees them before I do. I face a deadline for submitting material for the Bridge Line Historical Society Bulletin's January 2022 at noon EST on Nov. 19.
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Post by MILWmodeler on Nov 16, 2021 7:00:25 GMT -8
If it's a Tuesday, there'll be a Train Tuesday. New announcements have shifted from the fourth Friday of a month to the last Friday of the month.
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Post by stevewagner on Nov 16, 2021 11:03:53 GMT -8
2 p.m., EST
Thanks, Jon. I just now went back to Athearn's website for the first time in many hours -- to put it mildly, I've been busy, at home and elsewhere -- and found that this had been posted on Facebook, on which I'm not active, about four hours ago:
"Join us Tuesday, November 16th at 3:30pm CST for Train Tuesday. We'll talk about the Roundhouse 50’ Outside Braced Plug Door Box Cars and the HO 30’ Flat Cars. We'll also talk Athearn news and answer some of your questions."
If I can't see it "live", I'll try to catch up with it on You Tube later. I believe those 30' flat cars were based on an actual series of Milwaukee Road cars dating from fairly late for such shorties, perhaps as late as the 1940s if memory serves.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 16, 2021 13:48:38 GMT -8
I do believe these little flats are MILW 601100-60117. There were 14 extant on the October 1950 ORER.
These little fellas were 100 T flats. The were likely built as gun flats, but obviously could carry other special loads, too. Pennsy had a whole bunch of similar cars, their F22's.
If there were others, they aren't coming to mind.
And, of course, a person might wonder how it was that MILW needed gun flats.
Ed
PS: It appears the MILW flat had different numbers earlier. I see a photo of one with the number 67102.
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Post by stevewagner on Nov 16, 2021 14:40:51 GMT -8
The Delaware & Hudson had some older shorty flatcars built to haul long guns for the Navy (I t hink, but possibly for coastal artillery) from the arsenal at Watervliet, NY. I believe photos and scale drawings of them were published in Model Railroader years ago; I'll try to look up the reference later. They were later used by General Electric in Schnectady, I think one inside it's heavy electric plant, the other to haul product elsewhere, either to the Port of Albany or. elsewhere via the ex-Albany & Susquehanna line that had been built to the Erie Railroad's original broad gauge and therefore had generous clearances.
HO resin kits for the Pennsy's short gun flats and for a suitable gun and parts for mounting it on one of the cars (with another one or two being idlers), but the manufactuaer hasn't gotten back to me with info on what the minimum radius of HO track is that such an outfit can successfully run on. Again, I'll be trying to get more info on this as time permits.
Someone more knowledgeable than I about the Milwaukee Road might know why it had short heavy duty flats. Here's my preliminary guess: Did the Milwaukee serve Fairbanks-Morse in Beloit, WI? Or did the Chicago & North Western do that? Or did both railroads serve that plant? Both certainly bought diesel-electric locos F-M built there. I strongly suspect it also made other smaller but very heavy products there. During my undergraduate years at Oberlin College in Ohio, a new electric generator, presumably diesel-powered, showed up at the city's electric generating plant on a four-truck C&NW flatcar. The men working there were wondering how they were ever going to get the thing off the car and installed properly inside. They used a very vulgar term for it that I hadn't ever heard spoken aloud; that's what Ernest Hemingway wrote that the protagonist In A Farewell to Arms said to the officer who sentenced him, very unfairly, to be shot for desertion or cowardice. He got away from that situation in the book, but Maxwell Perkins, Hemingway's editor at Scribner's, censored that word as unprintable.
Fairbanks-Morse's original business was making scales, including those used by railroads, both on station platforms and to weigh loaded freight cars, in St. Johnsbury, Vermont. That small place has a grand library with wonderful paintings in it and a fine old science museum thanks to the generosity of one or more of its founders. Fairbanks-Morse also made railroad coaling towers.
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Post by mdvle on Nov 16, 2021 14:42:40 GMT -8
Athearn Train Tuesday - November 16th 2021 - reminder that next week is both US Thanksgiving and that Friday (26th) is th November order deadline 0:03 - Roundhouse - 50' Outside braced plug door 0:13 - Roundhouse - 30' flat cars 0:21 - working on "Friends of Athearn", working on a submission method for sending in pictures of layouts, projects, etc. - pics sent in from RR club of the Dash-9 units - BNSF units delayed but on way, all others in stock 0:25 - Athearn News - 3rd party review of PfG RTR Railbox by DG Modelworks 0:28 - Q&A - SD70ACu's? were supposed to be here now, they are somewhere in the production process - several questions about arrivals, same general answer - current conditions in shipping are causing havoc - "is RTR of equal quality as Genesis minus the road number specific details? or is Genesis a step above detail-wise overall as well?" - uses a loco as an example, RTR SD40-2 - shows Genesis 2.0 SD60M (CP) to continue answer - will you be staying with Tsunami sound or swapping to ESU? currently as this time staying with Soundtraxx - we have a great relationship with them. - looking forward to attending Springfield in 2022 - next week TT N scale December announcement show usual time on Friday 26th YouTube link
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Post by stevewagner on Nov 16, 2021 14:46:31 GMT -8
5:46 p.m., EST
mdvie, thanks as usual for your useful summary! I did not get to attend the event as it happened and will be guided by your time notes in watching the parts of greatest interest to me sometime later.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 16, 2021 17:38:16 GMT -8
The Delaware & Hudson had some older shorty flatcars built to haul long guns for the Navy (I t hink, but possibly for coastal artillery) from the arsenal at Watervliet, NY. I believe photos and scale drawings of them were published in Model Railroader years ago; I'll try to look up the reference later. They were later used by General Electric in Schnectady, I think one inside it's heavy electric plant, the other to haul product elsewhere, either to the Port of Albany or. elsewhere via the ex-Albany & Susquehanna line that had been built to the Erie Railroad's original broad gauge and therefore had generous clearances. I do not find anything in the D&H listing the July 1945 ORER that I regard as a gun flat. There were also some PRR F22's done in brass by Railworks. Re: minimum radius I think, for the prototype, that there were pivoting cradles on each of the two gun flats used to carry a barrel. Pictures frequently show the barrel overhanging a third flat. So, what you're asking about is the minimum radius of two coupled 30 foot flats, which is incredibly small unless there is a giant gun barrel sitting on both of them. I think, in that case, the minimum radius is going to be dictated by the slop in the coupling between the two cars. What you're asking the manufacturer to do is predict that slop for the models you build. I just checked the slop between two randomly chosed Kadee equipped cars, and got .10". A snidge of trig came up with a minimum radius of 11" IF you set up the car on straight track with the coupler slack taken out (compressed). If you're running Sergents, it's going to be a lot larger. Online research says that MILW served Crane Naval Weapons Center in Indiana. Navy guns in Indiana? Who knew? Ed
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