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Post by PennCentral on Aug 5, 2020 7:24:05 GMT -8
Jason C, if I may, which place in upstate New York is your hometown? I'm writing as a D&H fan who has never lived in New York State and is usually able to get out there only two or three times a year. Steve, Ballston Spa in Saratoga County. A little problem is that the D&H bypassed Ballston in 1950 with a two-mile long engineered fill and trestle. I model 1975 (and 78, 82/83, and 86-7). The original D&H main dated all the way back to the Saratoga & Schenectady Railroad circa 1932-33. That original alignment was much more interesting and for my purposes, exactly what I want in my basement. A manageable portion of the D&H that I can recreate in a reasonable amount of time and also provide a vehicle for nostalgia. The best description of my plan the Hollywood adaptation of an actual story. The major details are there but they've been dramatized and edited to make it more interesting. That editing will apply to a couple of structures that will be replaced with more interesting ones to make the layout more interesting from an operating and visual standpoint. Ballston MapJason C |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Aug 5, 2020 7:30:28 GMT -8
Can't model the EL west end without some Athearn Genesis Milwaukee F's, either, before they got cut off at Marion. Everything from GE in Erie had to go through Ohio to get west, so brand new U-boats going west and old trade-ins going east were legit. I remember a bunch of GG-1's that wound up north of Youngstown for scrapping in the 80's too. Ohio really was a giant 4x8 train layout. Flat. Tracks everywhere. Lots of trains running. Everything under the sun in any condition imaginable. |
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Post by dti406 on Aug 5, 2020 7:31:08 GMT -8
Jeeze, I hope you've got a lot of mainline.  At the moment, NO mainline. NO branchline. NO layout. No club membership. At the moment anyway..... Shortly I'll be starting work on a mid-70's era generic western Ohio-ish layout where I can run Penn Central, DT&I, and whatever else I like. Maybe some N&W. Maybe some B&O/C&O first year or two Chessie. Maybe even Rock Island on occasion but probably NOT the bankrupt blue. Sometimes it might be early-Conrail. Other times it might move back to pre-Penn Central Cigar Band NYC and plan keystone Pennsy. It's not going to be a massive double decker with 10+ operators required. Initially it's going to be a one town scene 12'-20' long with a junction of two secondary mainlines crossing and a crap ton of staging so I can kick back and railfan really long trains. There'll also be some industries and interchange tracks so I'll be able to run a local and switch the elevator and feed mill, maybe a couple of small factories and a team track. But most often, I'll probably sit there and play tower operator. Once that layout is up and running, I'll be starting a second layout in the other half of the basement. Also a one town deal with more staging than 'layout'. That one is going to be a D&H layout in Upstate NY based on my hometown. Not tiny layouts but limited and focused in scope. The Western Ohio one might be built as Free-Mo compliant modules so it can go 'on the road' once or twice a year. Jason C Long trains, Indiana The best railroad to model, the Toledo Terminal, it was an oval and everything that went to Toledo ran on it, B&O, C&O, NYC, PRR, DT&I, Ann Arbor, GTW, D&TSL, PC (after merger), NKP, Wabash, and NW (after merger). Rick Jesionowski |
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Post by PennCentral on Aug 5, 2020 7:47:03 GMT -8
Western Ohio isn't complete without an Erie Lackawanna pulled by some Genesis SDP45 / SD45-2's (we still need a good E-L caboose!) PC / early Conrail lets you add in RDG, CNJ, LV etc while Chessie adds in WM. Modeling the 60's & 70's gets expensive, because you could see anything, anywhere, at least in the NE / Midwest. It was glorious.  This is one of the big reasons I picked the 70's. Western Ohio was pretty awesome. Everyone crossed everyone in multiple locations. - Lima: PRR/PC/CR crossed the DT&I and less than a mile west of that, crossed NKP/N&W, and B&O/Chessie. A mile and half south of the Pennsy, the parallel EL also crossed the DT&I, B&O and NKP. - Springfield: DT&I, EL, NYC/PC, and a Pennsy branch - Urbana: PRR/PC and EL parallel through town while the NYC/PC crosses over top of both of them. - Delphos: Tiny little Delphos. The PRR/PC mainline, the NKP/N&W Cloverleaf, and the western end of the AC&Y. - Union City Ohio/Indiana: Straddling the state line, the NYC/PC Big Four Bee Line crosses the PRR/PC Pan Handle Chicago Mainline Step just over the state line into Indiana and you have: - Decatur: EL crosses the PRR/PC Fort Wayne Branch (GR&I Richmond-Fort Wayne) and running parallel to the EL is the NKP/N&W Cloverleaf. The whole region is very interesting and rarely modeled. Jason C |
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Post by PennCentral on Aug 5, 2020 7:54:20 GMT -8
The best railroad to model, the Toledo Terminal, it was an oval and everything that went to Toledo ran on it, B&O, C&O, NYC, PRR, DT&I, Ann Arbor, GTW, D&TSL, PC (after merger), NKP, Wabash, and NW (after merger). Rick Jesionowski You're not wrong. I just want something a little more 'small town'. I recall that there was briefly a really cool Toledo Terminal layout. Made the magazines and I enjoyed a presentation on the layout by the builder at one of the Michiana Division NMRA meets in Elkhart. Jason C Indiana |
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Post by fmilhaupt on Aug 5, 2020 8:50:08 GMT -8
You're not wrong. I just want something a little more 'small town'. I recall that there was briefly a really cool Toledo Terminal layout. Made the magazines and I enjoyed a presentation on the layout by the builder at one of the Michiana Division NMRA meets in Elkhart. Jason C Indiana I'd wondered how soon someone would bring up Doug Tagsold's old "Terminal Railroads of Toledo". It was the only one I've operated on where you actually could switch hi-cube auto parts cars in a way that made sense and worked well. In addition to having a sufficiently large assembly plant that didn't feel cramped, he'd taken care to provide adequate clearances on the rest of the railroad when designing it. |
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Post by tangentsm on Aug 5, 2020 15:15:04 GMT -8
Dear Atlas Forum,
A few quick notes about our August 2020 release of Greenville 86’ High Cube Double Plug Door Box Cars:
1. We apologize that we have sold out four paint schemes from this first production within the first few days and that many customers did not get the cars they wanted.
2. We will definitely produce a new run of the DT&I, SOU, and SP schemes with new numbers because so many customers missed out.
3. We fill orders on a first come, first served basis. If you made an order through a store we will fill those orders in sequence based upon the timestamps of personal orders placed through our website.
4. If you have a completed order through our website you will get the cars you ordered.
5. Please have patience with us as we begin to ship the first orders placed on Friday August 7. It will take several days for us to process all of the orders.
6. We have many more paint schemes to offer and we will get to them all. Please hang in there with us!
Thank you, as always, for your support of Tangent Scale Models!
David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models
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Post by TBird1958 on Aug 5, 2020 15:19:11 GMT -8
Here's hoping there's a D&RGW car somewhere in the future - Thanks for the great models, David!
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Post by riogrande on Aug 5, 2020 15:27:26 GMT -8
Thanks David for the update and the notice that more DT&I, Southern and SP will be run in new numbers for these schemes. Those 3 in particular are very popular.
I also agree with Mark, we'd love to see D&RGW and many more schemes!
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Post by sknorcal on Aug 5, 2020 16:01:35 GMT -8
Quick question--Is the black underframe correct for all paint schemes, or is the underframe just unpainted on the models?
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Post by csxt8400 on Aug 5, 2020 19:22:45 GMT -8
Dear Atlas Forum, A few quick notes about our August 2020 release of Greenville 86’ High Cube Double Plug Door Box Cars: 1. We apologize that we have sold out four paint schemes from this first production within the first few days and that many customers did not get the cars they wanted. 2. We will definitely produce a new run of the DT&I, SOU, and SP schemes with new numbers because so many customers missed out. 3. We fill orders on a first come, first served basis. If you made an order through a store we will fill those orders in sequence based upon the timestamps of personal orders placed through our website. 4. If you have a completed order through our website you will get the cars you ordered. 5. Please have patience with us as we begin to ship the first orders placed on Friday August 7. It will take several days for us to process all of the orders. 6. We have many more paint schemes to offer and we will get to them all. Please hang in there with us! Thank you, as always, for your support of Tangent Scale Models! David Lehlbach Tangent Scale Models So Dave, is this the most explosive release of Tangents history? Sure feels like a shockwave of "Oooos!" and "Ahhhs!" Good for you, can't wait to get mine. |
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Post by champagnetrail on Aug 5, 2020 19:32:40 GMT -8
Can't model the EL west end without some Athearn Genesis Milwaukee F's, either, before they got cut off at Marion. Although, it was the set of Milwaukee GP40s that seemed to make it across the entire EL system. I've seen pictures of Milwaukee GP40s at the ore dock in Cleveland, at Bison Yard in Buffalo, and down in northern NJ. I also remember seeing them go through Addison (west of Corning), NY, when I was a kid.
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Post by champagnetrail on Aug 5, 2020 19:36:02 GMT -8
Sell a kidney, or something, if you have to. These cars are a must-have if you model 1970s Rio Grande. Yah! For sure, just how many for a home layout ... I've got two coming that I've confirmed good for D&RGW auto parts trains: DT&I and Southern. I'm pretty sure SP were also used so am reaching out to one of my vendors for one or two when they get them in-stock. Beyond that will see what Tangent offers in the next run. I've also got a mix of Walthers Pullman Standard 86' box cars. Yeah, not as good as Tangent, but needed some P-S for a prototypical mix, including PC, DT&I green, early CR can-opener, MILW and PRR and NYC as well. All are 4 door (2 doors per side) as used on the Ford FAST. Now if we could just get some Thralls! In the EL wheel report collection, I've got an SP car coming off the D&H at Binghamton (actually, Jeff Jct) and going west to the N&W connection at Huntington, Indiana, consigned to Ford Motor Company in Pico Rivera, California. Could that be a car that would have gone west on the Ford FAST?
-pat
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Post by champagnetrail on Aug 5, 2020 19:38:09 GMT -8
Dear Atlas Forum, A few quick notes about our August 2020 release of Greenville 86’ High Cube Double Plug Door Box Cars: 1. We apologize that we have sold out four paint schemes from this first production within the first few days and that many customers did not get the cars they wanted. 2. We will definitely produce a new run of the DT&I, SOU, and SP schemes with new numbers because so many customers missed out. 3. We fill orders on a first come, first served basis. If you made an order through a store we will fill those orders in sequence based upon the timestamps of personal orders placed through our website. 4. If you have a completed order through our website you will get the cars you ordered. 5. Please have patience with us as we begin to ship the first orders placed on Friday August 7. It will take several days for us to process all of the orders. 6. We have many more paint schemes to offer and we will get to them all. Please hang in there with us! Thank you, as always, for your support of Tangent Scale Models! David Lehlbach Tangent Scale Models
Thanks again for making this one, David! I think you have a "hit" on your hands. I always thought these would be popular...
-pat
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Post by fr8kar on Aug 5, 2020 19:47:17 GMT -8
So Dave, is this the most explosive release of Tangents history? Sure feels like a shockwave of "Oooos!" and "Ahhhs!" Good for you, can't wait to get mine. If I ever go horse racing, I know who to take with me. David sure can pick a winner! |
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Post by TBird1958 on Aug 7, 2020 8:37:17 GMT -8
Gotta have this...........  |
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Post by elfan on Aug 7, 2020 8:41:36 GMT -8
Gotta have this........... just change the lettering and you have an Ann Arbor....I think. Were Ann Arbor’s Greenvilles? Tom |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 7, 2020 9:06:37 GMT -8
According to Jim Eagers Color Guide caption picturing this orange Greenville 86' boxcar: I believe there is a photo in one of my books or magazine showing an orange 86' Greenville in the consists of the FAST. Here is the Athearn version hopefully to be superseded by Tangent:  |
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Post by grabirons on Aug 8, 2020 13:46:29 GMT -8
ohh cool treats!
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Post by champagnetrail on Aug 8, 2020 19:34:59 GMT -8
Gotta have this........... just change the lettering and you have an Ann Arbor....I think. Were Ann Arbor’s Greenvilles? Tom I believe the Ann Arbor acquired a small number of Greenvilles from the Green Bay and Western. The AA also had some Thrall-built 86' boxes as well.
-pat
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Post by railmodeltroy14 on Aug 9, 2020 2:08:28 GMT -8
My Conrail units will be waiting at the local post office to pick up in the morning.
I would say that's pretty good customer service since I first knew these models even existed one week ago.
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Post by brammy on Aug 9, 2020 6:21:15 GMT -8
My Conrail units will be waiting at the local post office to pick up in the morning. I would say that's pretty good customer service since I first knew these models even existed one week ago. I haven’t gotten a shipping notification yet. |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 9, 2020 6:29:16 GMT -8
I haven’t gotten a shipping notification yet. Me neither. Keep in mind they said it would take a few days to get the orders out. |
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Post by brammy on Aug 9, 2020 6:48:59 GMT -8
Yeah. Not worried at all.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 9, 2020 6:50:31 GMT -8
I expect they'll have everything out by Tuesday at the latest. I'm hoping to get an SP from a vendor who believes he can cover my order as long as he gets what he is expecting.
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Post by champagnetrail on Aug 9, 2020 9:27:59 GMT -8
Got my notice already, too. But, I only live 75 miles from Asheville. Too bad I can't just pick them up in person!
-pat
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Post by drolsen on Aug 9, 2020 14:16:39 GMT -8
Mine should be delivered tomorrow, can't wait to see them! I ended up adding some of the new trucks to my order, and I'll probably go back and order more to swap all these cars out with 0.88" semi-scale wheelset trucks. I'm trying to resist the temptation to order an undecorated kit and one of the CPAA cars (I didn't realize some of those lasted as late as about 2000 in their original paint).
I'm surprised the NYC scheme hasn't sold out. It looks really sharp, and I always thought it was a pretty popular roadname.
Dave
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Post by csxt8400 on Aug 9, 2020 15:39:48 GMT -8
Mine should be delivered tomorrow, can't wait to see them! I ended up adding some of the new trucks to my order, and I'll probably go back and order more to swap all these cars out with 0.88" semi-scale wheelset trucks. I'm trying to resist the temptation to order an undecorated kit and one of the CPAA cars (I didn't realize some of those lasted as late as about 2000 in their original paint). I'm surprised the NYC scheme hasn't sold out. It looks really sharp, and I always thought it was a pretty popular roadname. Dave I agree. As an NYC hat (you have to choose, right?) I was disappointed to see it be one of the slow sellers. Especially when out of the first run, I think they were among the most ubiquitous of cars. I bought one to put on the shelf, such a stunning piece. |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Aug 9, 2020 16:49:20 GMT -8
NYC is, for whatever reason, not as popular as one might think for the size it was and fame they had. NYC should be a very popular road like the PRR; it was large, important, glamorous, fast, owned by titans of industry, and connected the largest city in the world with Chicago using one of the most famous trains in all the world. They have a very active historical society that is doing quite well, but for all that, it just doesn't appear to be as popular as it perhaps should be.
Personally, I think it's the paint schemes. Black/white/dark gray/light gray/silver...pretty monochromatic and, as we know, color sells. And the only real color they had was jade green...which isn't the most attractive color for some folks. As a NH fan, I can admit that if it wasn't for Pat McGinnis and his wife's desire for a "New Image", the NH would not be nearly as popular today.
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Post by grabirons on Aug 9, 2020 17:00:26 GMT -8
I had 12 sent to Minnesota. 25 rocks. I hope most people realize how amazing this car is for the price, especially when bought in bulk. At 12 cars, they were 43.95. I just paid 48 bucks or so for a lousy Walthers coil car that is rehashed from an ancient kit. What more can we ask for? Tangent delivers. Anyone remember when walthers started adding the grabirons to it's freight cars unpainted? I think it was their "gold line" of models that they had in the mid 2000's or so. Then shortly after that, they started advertising their cars as, " now with installed and painted grab irons". The prices went up, on rather mediocre models. The evans covered hopper they did was a strange model with it's chunky end cages but with modeler installed grab irons. But god, that "modeler installed grab irons" model they had for years really bothered me since you could buy any athearn rtr car with more detail, for less money. The coil car you mentioned is very naked looking, and just not worth it. -Grabirons |
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