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Post by kcjones on Aug 11, 2021 7:57:59 GMT -8
Brian? One question. What commodities will your 4750’s carry? Got to get the waybills ready. Grain. Copper Basin is a real railroad serving the copper mines in AZ. My road is Copper State. Understand though. Oops!!! My bad!! I apologize. Basin got stuck in my head.
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Post by bnsf971 on Aug 11, 2021 8:16:02 GMT -8
There's no way rounder can fill the shoes of our beloved Frank. Ed Those shoes carried the biggest load I’ve ever seen…
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Post by gevohogger on Aug 11, 2021 8:30:34 GMT -8
Brian? One question. What commodities will your 4750’s carry? Got to get the waybills ready. Grain. Copper Basin is a real railroad serving the copper mines in AZ. My road is Copper State. Understand though. Arizona grain..... Keeps all that irrigation equipment busy 24/7!
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Post by rounder on Aug 11, 2021 8:53:40 GMT -8
Grain. Copper Basin is a real railroad serving the copper mines in AZ. My road is Copper State. Understand though. Arizona grain..... Keeps all that irrigation equipment busy 24/7! That’s why the Espee never originated as much grain traffic as the other Class 1’s! The Copper State Ry. had a monopoly on that market! Everybody knows that bit of trivia!
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Post by fishbelly on Aug 11, 2021 9:40:57 GMT -8
Grain. Copper Basin is a real railroad serving the copper mines in AZ. My road is Copper State. Understand though. Arizona grain..... Keeps all that irrigation equipment busy 24/7! If memory serves me correct, AZ was the biggest exporter of durum wheat to Italy and other parts of Europe. I do not know if they still are.
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Post by Partial_List on Aug 11, 2021 11:40:02 GMT -8
Oh boy. I have not read all the pages, but the last two are...interesting?
There is nothing to be gained by becoming infamous on internet train forums.
We used to have more great modelers on here showing off their work than what it seems we have now, and I'm sorry if in any way I contributed to that. Hi, John Mock! How’ve you been? Long time, no hear! I’m not sure why’d you lament a lack of modeling on a freelance RTR hopper car announcement thread, but I can certainly empathize with the spirit of it! Okay man, enough is enough. You’ve made your point that you’re very emotionally distraught about the Homeshops freelance covered hopper deal. By now, everyone on here knows how you feel about it. You’re acting like someone took your lunch money and stole your girlfriend. Just let it go.
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Post by sgoti on Aug 11, 2021 11:58:30 GMT -8
Maybe some of these cars are for the Purina® Troll Food mills.
Food in /fertilizer out...
Glenn
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Post by sgoti on Aug 11, 2021 12:01:12 GMT -8
Don't know why you you would think I'm Bruce F (I'm not)... Sorry, first thing that leapt to mind was the old Monty Python skit: "Mind if we call you Bruce to keep the confusion down?" Glenn
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Post by upcsx on Aug 11, 2021 12:01:55 GMT -8
Do you have to give any money up front to pre order them ?
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Post by NS4122 on Aug 11, 2021 12:38:23 GMT -8
Reading FAQ #3 on their website,it would appear you have to pay up front. They call it "Advance Sales". Do you have to give any money up front to pre order them ?
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Post by brammy on Aug 11, 2021 12:55:42 GMT -8
Call it a hunch, but the January Tangent offering might be more hoppers? I'd be surprised if this wasn't part of a scheduled run of these cars Tangent has planned.
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Post by upcsx on Aug 11, 2021 13:16:02 GMT -8
Reading FAQ #3 on their website,it would appear you have to pay up front. They call it "Advance Sales". Do you have to give any money up front to pre order them ? Thinks I did not see that.
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Post by rounder on Aug 11, 2021 13:50:41 GMT -8
Hi, John Mock! How’ve you been? Long time, no hear! I’m not sure why’d you lament a lack of modeling on a freelance RTR hopper car announcement thread, but I can certainly empathize with the spirit of it! Okay man, enough is enough. You’ve made your point that you’re very emotionally distraught about the Homeshops freelance covered hopper deal. By now, everyone on here knows how you feel about it. You’re acting like someone took your lunch money and stole your girlfriend. Just let it go. Nope, not distraught here! Seems you may be projecting somewhat! If you’re having trouble with your finances or romantic life, there are recourses for that, not sure why you have to air your unrelated life issues on this thread! Best of luck!
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Post by thejadefog on Aug 11, 2021 14:01:21 GMT -8
Are there moderators on this forum?
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Post by rounder on Aug 11, 2021 14:05:07 GMT -8
Are there moderators on this forum? Why do you feel the need for a moderator? Aside from a few off topic posts and rude jabs, I think we’ve got some boisterous support going here! Good thread, I say!
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Post by shopforeman on Aug 11, 2021 14:45:40 GMT -8
Reading FAQ #3 on their website,it would appear you have to pay up front. They call it "Advance Sales". Thinks I did not see that. Great question! The Tangent PS-4750 covered hoppers in our first release are available for advance sale at the pre-purchase discounted price of $49.95 per car (only $1.00 above Tangent MSRP). Once the cars are on-hand, any remaining inventory can be purchased for the In-Stock price of $54.95 each. Not all of our releases will be available in advance. The data from this advance sale is helping us make ordering decisions for two additional projects that are near the end of the design phase. Thanks for your interest and your support!
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Post by shopforeman on Aug 11, 2021 14:46:43 GMT -8
Call it a hunch, but the January Tangent offering might be more hoppers? I'd be surprised if this wasn't part of a scheduled run of these cars Tangent has planned. I would bet on your hunch! :-)
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Post by shopforeman on Aug 11, 2021 15:06:11 GMT -8
I’d order one, as I love the humor of mixing those in, but unfortunately I don’t think any of them made it to the Pacific Northwest… May I recommend a Kansas Pacific car? Anthony Lorch's Kansas Pacific exists in the same Freelance narrative as Joe Bohannon's Chinook Lines. These railroads market export grain service from Kansas/Oklahoma/Texas to the PNW for export with grain cars from both railroads being pooled. A KP car will look at home on almost any model railroad!
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Post by shopforeman on Aug 11, 2021 15:17:28 GMT -8
I bought one of the freelanced cars. I like to buy others freelanced cars to run. The freelance group on facebook has a great group of people. Some do custom runs from accurail and others sell their decals. This guy got permission from everyone to do these runs of cars. It's different, I like different. I'd probably get one at a show. Right now, I don't really need more hoppers but if they were 40' box cars I might get one. Thanks your support and brammy I believe you will like our first 40' boxcar offering....
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Post by shopforeman on Aug 11, 2021 15:26:17 GMT -8
The Copper State Railway has been around for me since September 1996. Two Harbors Iron has been with me since about 1987. Cairo Port Terminal & Chicago is fairly new at I think 2017. The Midwest Rail Group is fairly new from the beginning of 2021 and it came about as the company that acquired the CPT&C after it went bankrupt in 1971. So if you have not changed your Brita filter since 1987, well I think it is about time. Rounder, something you might want to understand and maybe you will appreciate it a little more I hope. Model trains is ALL make believe. All of it. None of it is real. It is something that stuck with us since we were kids and as adults have taken it to another level. Does not matter what that level is, it is still ALL make believe. You might be modeling a prototype, but it is only a representation of that prototype and it is not real. I am sure you like movies. I do not know what kind, but unless you ONLY watch documentaries, pretty much everything or most everything else is fiction. I am sure you have read books. Lots of books and some of the best books to enjoy are fiction. Prototype modeling a real railroad to me personally is boring. I still like it and I enjoy seeing the models, but the story is already written. Does not mean I am not still building some prototype models. I like to be entertained and this is part of entertainment as well as writing a history for my roads. I am not being paid to do what I do with my free time so if I switch between my modeling interests, it is because I am entertaining myself. Now if someone wants to pay me to stay focused. That would be another story and I would be happy to pick a road and stay with it just as long as it is not a Western road. Please allow me to model Midwest or Eastern. Here is something else you might want to think about. Some of your fellow modelers also work for the railroads. One being a fellow modeler who contributed one of the cars to Home Shops. He models freelance because he sees the prototype EVERY day. If you take your hobby seriously as I do, you set standards and freelancing is not as easy as you might think. Coming up with a believable scenario and building the history is a lot more work than prototype modeling. Researching how the railroads in the area you want to model came to be and the ones that disappeared. How railroads operate and emulating their reason for doing things, for their purchasing practices and how they run their shops. I have been very fortunate to know quite a few fellow modelers that also work for both class one railroads and short lines. I want to thank you for the kind words as well. I appreciate that. Please cut us some slack though. I understand the passion you may have. I became an asshole and a person I did not want to be because of my passion for it I lost friends and one in particular that I really miss and I learned a valuable lesson. I am back here because of the good graces of Donnell. I am also thoroughly enjoying my new found passion for this hobby and bringing back the enjoyment of it for me. I have never had more fun with model trains than when I am proto-freelancing. Anyway, I have written way to much already. Enjoy the hobby rounder and whos not to say that with this run of freelanced cars for Home Shops that Dave isn't also planning a new run of prototype cars for Tangent. Thanks for adding this thoughtful perspective! We are quite pleased to have a Copper State Railway car in our first release! Many thanks to Matt Martin for making that introduction... Where can we go to learn more about Two Harbors Iron, Cairo Port Terminal & Chicago and the Midwest Rail Group?
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Post by lvrr325 on Aug 13, 2021 2:59:18 GMT -8
Judging by some of these comments maybe the cars should be carrying salt
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Post by lvrr325 on Aug 13, 2021 3:11:21 GMT -8
Are these "roadnames" various freelance layouts that people have built, or just names they dreamed up on the spot? I've seen on Ebay where Utah Belt and Virginian & Ohio stuff sells for big bucks. The cynic in me has considered selling off surplus equipment but first slapping a quick coat of paint and V&O decals on it (decals which are also available on Ebay). I could probably fund my retirement with it. Allegash, or whatever it is, engines painted solid pale yellow, those have sold for stupid money too. Get your railroad a couple features in MR or RMC and people will drop big bucks for your trains. Some guys forget there's all kinds of people in this hobby and while your fun may be ensuring everything is specific to 10:58 AM on July 13th, 1984, with detail so good you need a monocle on to spot it all, some guys don't care about that and just buy things that look good. I don't mix the stuff but I have a fairly large collection of "tinplate" era HO for a someday 4x8 that is all vintage stuff, save maybe the track (but it would be all sectional). That will be the place my wide-body Athearn GP30 passes my die-cast Tyco 0-4-0 in factory Union Pacific yellow and my Varney Dockside in light blue lettered for Missouri Pacific (with matching Northeastern caboose no less). Maybe I'll run a train of all like 28 of my Varney bay window cabooses - and a Gilbert with bay window and cupola both at the end. Who knows. A G&D or V&O car would fit in there just fine.
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Post by rounder on Aug 13, 2021 4:32:20 GMT -8
Are these "roadnames" various freelance layouts that people have built, or just names they dreamed up on the spot? I've seen on Ebay where Utah Belt and Virginian & Ohio stuff sells for big bucks. The cynic in me has considered selling off surplus equipment but first slapping a quick coat of paint and V&O decals on it (decals which are also available on Ebay). I could probably fund my retirement with it. Allegash, or whatever it is, engines painted solid pale yellow, those have sold for stupid money too. Get your railroad a couple features in MR or RMC and people will drop big bucks for your trains. Some guys forget there's all kinds of people in this hobby and while your fun may be ensuring everything is specific to 10:58 AM on July 13th, 1984, with detail so good you need a monocle on to spot it all, some guys don't care about that and just buy things that look good. I don't mix the stuff but I have a fairly large collection of "tinplate" era HO for a someday 4x8 that is all vintage stuff, save maybe the track (but it would be all sectional). That will be the place my wide-body Athearn GP30 passes my die-cast Tyco 0-4-0 in factory Union Pacific yellow and my Varney Dockside in light blue lettered for Missouri Pacific (with matching Northeastern caboose no less). Maybe I'll run a train of all like 28 of my Varney bay window cabooses - and a Gilbert with bay window and cupola both at the end. Who knows. A G&D or V&O car would fit in there just fine. I’m in the market for one of each! Will you be carrying them? If so I would like to preorder with you! Of course, I will need your storefront name and contact information!
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Post by gevohogger on Aug 13, 2021 6:07:06 GMT -8
Are these "roadnames" various freelance layouts that people have built, or just names they dreamed up on the spot? I've seen on Ebay where Utah Belt and Virginian & Ohio stuff sells for big bucks. The cynic in me has considered selling off surplus equipment but first slapping a quick coat of paint and V&O decals on it (decals which are also available on Ebay). I could probably fund my retirement with it. Allegash, or whatever it is, engines painted solid pale yellow, those have sold for stupid money too. Get your railroad a couple features in MR or RMC and people will drop big bucks for your trains. I think for those who don't read the magazines, the freelance railroads just aren't familiar. I only know Allagash as a beer, for example.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 13, 2021 6:09:05 GMT -8
I would have liked to gotten the Allagash Tangent gon even knowing it was freelance. It's nice looking.
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Post by ambluco on Aug 13, 2021 7:14:00 GMT -8
I think for those who don't read the magazines, the freelance railroads just aren't familiar. I only know Allagash as a beer, for example. Except the Allagash it's all over the Internet (Facebook, Model Railroad Hobbyist website, and other sites, plus a line of how to and operational DVDs, etc.) You can't even make a joke about where you live, like Croatia, because they know too.
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Post by gevohogger on Aug 13, 2021 7:29:56 GMT -8
I think for those who don't read the magazines, the freelance railroads just aren't familiar. I only know Allagash as a beer, for example. Except the Allagash it's all over the Internet (Facebook, Model Railroad Hobbyist website, and other sites, plus a line of how to and operational DVDs, etc.) You can't even make a joke about where you live, like Croatia, because they know too. Obviously I've seen the Tangent gondolas.... But this is pretty much the only model railroad website I follow, and the Allagash isn't mentioned very often on here. Doing a Search just now, I saw that the last posts before the release of the Tangent gondolas came from you, way back in 2014. Facebook and Model Railroad Hobbyist? Don't got time for those. I mark off, go home and go to sleep.
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Post by atg on Aug 13, 2021 9:49:18 GMT -8
A lot of fuss over free lance hoppers. I think it’s good for the hobby. Very few modellers would even notice if it was running around your layout. I find it interesting that the views and responses exceed the farm house build, and the tank car build currently going on, which both subjects doing a great job at enriching the hobby….
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Post by shopforeman on Aug 13, 2021 11:38:49 GMT -8
Judging by some of these comments maybe the cars should be carrying salt LOL - Funny you should mention that! Salt is one of the primary commodities hauled by the 40 PS-4750 covered hoppers on the West Falls Northern Roster... Photo by Kelly Fletcher.
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Post by GP40P-2 on Aug 13, 2021 15:23:43 GMT -8
I tend to think of Tom Johnson and Inrail when I think of HO covered hoppers. Any chance for an Inrail car?
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