joppasub
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Post by joppasub on Aug 23, 2023 5:58:20 GMT -8
Thomas, This is a strange comment, why would give up on the waffle boxcars, do you not want them anymore? We have shown several samples of them along the way and we received the final samples and had them approved. We believe our customers want their cars to be accurate in all aspects rather than not. Nick I gave up on the waffle boxcars; and will just buy a couple of cars if I can find them here and there...too much sitting out there for me. I gave up because they are long overdue, Nick. When do you think they will show up? |
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Post by protofrtcar on Aug 23, 2023 7:04:05 GMT -8
How can they be overdue?  when there was no date ever given. Those of us that buy top quality Moloco cars know the wait is worth it. Nick does deliver, no vaporware there. The FGE's are invoicing and shipping now, the Brainerd Double Doors next, followed by the Waffles. Keeping up with the Model Railroad Press and Manufacturers announcements will help ease the frustration. Waiting for the waffles is what's keeping me alive. John O |
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Post by talltim on Aug 23, 2023 7:31:42 GMT -8
Thomas, This is a strange comment, why would give up on the waffle boxcars, do you not want them anymore? We have shown several samples of them along the way and we received the final samples and had them approved. We believe our customers want their cars to be accurate in all aspects rather than not. Nick I gave up because they are long overdue, Nick. When do you think they will show up? The webpage for them says
Its not late 2023 yet
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Post by 690 on Aug 23, 2023 8:29:02 GMT -8
I’m eagerly anticipating the waffles showing up, I’ve got 10 or 11 on order.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 23, 2023 9:10:37 GMT -8
Me too, some accurate D&RGW waffles and a couple other road names too!
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Post by cera2254 on Aug 23, 2023 12:16:59 GMT -8
I’ve got 2 or 3, can’t remember now. I’m sure looking forward to them!
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Post by kangaroose on Aug 23, 2023 14:49:48 GMT -8
Thomas, I would agree with you they are taking longer than I would want. But schedules are not as important as a "perfect" product. However, as a professional Industrial (product) Designer and Toolmaker a rarity in our industry, with the likes of my mentor Gordon Cannon (RIP) some things can't be avoided in a unique hobby as ours. Which mixes function and form together. One of our mantras is to get functional and durable details and rolling on tracks straight out of the box. During the period since announcement we have had three rounds of tooling samples which i personally assembled and have tested at my clubs' layout, which amounts to several months of real life testing and operations, just to see if anything pops up that you can't see by looking at a static model. The club track that has 50 years old track in spots with many double slip switches. I also test my 0.088" wheelsets in them just in case as well. As well as in trains of 50 cars or more. We check all the details and functions against our CAD and not rushing this critical step, with actually physical parts in hand, not photos from the factory. It is of course very tempting as a fellow modeler to get a cool product out quickly. However, do you really want a product with incorrect or odd sized waffles? Incorrect dimensions that sort of looks like the real thing, but not? Do you want your models to be warped or tilted or have brake sleds for trucks? Warping causing incorrect coupler heights or rubbing of wheels? All variations of a models, versus stand-ins? paint colours that look like pastels? i don't. Anyway. We've been doing RTR since 2012 or so and been around since 1996. Have we not delivered everything we started? I follow you on FB and love your work and you take care in what you do, so no ill will to you. Let me get back to it. Nick Thomas, This is a strange comment, why would give up on the waffle boxcars, do you not want them anymore? We have shown several samples of them along the way and we received the final samples and had them approved. We believe our customers want their cars to be accurate in all aspects rather than not. Nick I gave up because they are long overdue, Nick. When do you think they will show up? |
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joppasub
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Post by joppasub on Aug 27, 2023 9:59:25 GMT -8
I would expect they’d be correct. But I also wouldn’t measure them…Id let you do that.
I want them as I sent color photos to you of them given to me by Ed Hawkins and the ACF group at the STL Museum of Transport; so yeah, they are in demand on my list…
Love the Moloco stuff…always have. Thank you for kind words on my FB. No issues here. Just honest opinions. I’ve missed the mark before…
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Post by Partial_List on Jun 2, 2024 16:15:20 GMT -8
Any updates on the waffles?
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Post by riogrande on Jun 2, 2024 16:53:48 GMT -8
Waffles are way out yet. Check the Moloco website news portal for updates.
The Bainerd boxcars are on the water now.
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Post by Partial_List on Jun 2, 2024 17:27:16 GMT -8
Waffles are way out yet. Check the Moloco website news portal for updates. The Bainerd boxcars are on the water now. Thank you for the response. I’ll take a look at his news portal. |
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Post by tony on Jun 2, 2024 20:35:43 GMT -8
Has the production started on the ACF boxcars Exceed Plate C run? It's June already.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jun 2, 2024 22:37:55 GMT -8
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Post by tony on Jun 3, 2024 7:54:43 GMT -8
Exactly, day 3 of June 2024 - are they done yet?
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Jun 4, 2024 5:23:06 GMT -8
If you think the wait between Announcement and the actual product being shipped to consumers is long lets look at the following:
Spring Mills Depot B&O I-1/2/3/4/5 Cabooses
Trainworx 40ft Drop frame trailers
Intermountain (Multiple items)
Need I say more!
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Post by jonklein611 on Jun 4, 2024 7:43:04 GMT -8
If you think the wait between Announcement and the actual product being shipped to consumers is long lets look at the following: Spring Mills Depot B&O I-1/2/3/4/5 Cabooses Trainworx 40ft Drop frame trailers Intermountain (Multiple items) Need I say more! Atlas AEM-7 and Rapido LRC loco were another two that took a while. |
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Post by jonklein611 on Jun 4, 2024 7:45:37 GMT -8
Exactly, day 3 of June 2024 - are they done yet? Looks like they haven't done their June update just yet. | Product | Stage | Notes | | ACF boxcars Exceed Plate C runs (waffles/non-waffles) | Production sample 20/5/24
| Production starts early June!
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It's still very early in June, give them some time. |
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Post by cpr4200 on Jun 4, 2024 10:44:52 GMT -8
I wonder how Tangent can resist announcing products when they decide to produce them instead of when they're available. If everybody did that, what would we talk about?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 4, 2024 12:12:54 GMT -8
I wonder how Tangent can resist announcing products when they decide to produce them instead of when they're available. If everybody did that, what would we talk about? We would talk about how, if we'd known they were gonna make something, we could have warned them about all the mistakes they were going to make. So. Not much change, really. Ed |
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Post by joppasub on Jun 4, 2024 13:09:38 GMT -8
I'll just wait for the Moloco waffles...and other cars...they are worth the wait.
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Post by riogrande on Jun 4, 2024 14:32:32 GMT -8
Looks like the Brainerd are due late June, 4-6 weeks from May 15.
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Post by five83 on Jun 4, 2024 17:58:06 GMT -8
Hate to be that guy, but I wish Moloco would speed things up a bit. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the company and the models that they produce. The quality and attention to detail is second to none. But at this point with the pre-orders, I can't even remember what I ordered, let alone if I even want or need it now. A lot can happen in the 3-4 years it takes from announcement to final product in ones personal life. I can't be alone in these thoughts. At the end of the day, does this hurt a business in the long run....
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Post by cpr4200 on Jun 4, 2024 18:23:08 GMT -8
I wonder how Tangent can resist announcing products when they decide to produce them instead of when they're available. If everybody did that, what would we talk about? We would talk about how, if we'd known they were gonna make something, we could have warned them about all the mistakes they were going to make. Good point. Very good point. It seems that Tangent and Moloco have not made many mistakes. I get the impression that Nick is a one-man show, so there's not much opportunity to drop the ball as he seems to be laser focused on every aspect of his models. There don't seem to be very many players on the Tangent team, either. Dave is the only name I'm aware of there. |
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Post by kangaroose on Jun 4, 2024 19:08:42 GMT -8
Tony The production started on the 3rd. There is a process to follow to get the highest most consistent accuracy and quality product out. To get this level of completeness does take time. I'm in the habit of doing it once properly, I respect my customers hard earned money, so nothing else will do. Nick Has the production started on the ACF boxcars Exceed Plate C run? It's June already. |
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Post by hudsonyard on Jun 4, 2024 19:16:13 GMT -8
I wonder how Tangent can resist announcing products when they decide to produce them instead of when they're available. If everybody did that, what would we talk about?
"the gondola i saw on the toledo railcam with a build date of 3/24 has not been made yet by walthers/tangent/athearn/model power"
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 4, 2024 19:18:06 GMT -8
Hate to be that guy, but I wish Moloco would speed things up a bit. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the company and the models that they produce. The quality and attention to detail is second to none. But at this point with the pre-orders, I can't even remember what I ordered, let alone if I even want or need it now. A lot can happen in the 3-4 years it takes from announcement to final product in ones personal life. I can't be alone in these thoughts. At the end of the day, does this hurt a business in the long run.... I'm sure Nick would like Moloco to speed things up a bit, too. Perhaps more than anyone else. If you can't remember what you pre-ordered, just look through your records. That's how I can find the unfilled Intermountain order from 2007: 6 of 45334. Ed |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jun 5, 2024 2:26:42 GMT -8
I wish Moloco would speed things up a bit. and These two are mutually exclusive. |
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Post by gevohogger on Jun 5, 2024 4:38:50 GMT -8
Hate to be that guy, but I wish Moloco would speed things up a bit. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the company and the models that they produce. The quality and attention to detail is second to none. But at this point with the pre-orders, I can't even remember what I ordered, let alone if I even want or need it now. A lot can happen in the 3-4 years it takes from announcement to final product in ones personal life. I can't be alone in these thoughts. Call me crazy, but when I order a high-end freight car, I tend not to forget what it was I ordered. What do these things cost? My brain will turn to mush eventually but I won't forget what it was I ordered. |
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Post by upcsx on Jun 5, 2024 5:44:25 GMT -8
When you get older you want things now where you can enjoy them a little longer before you die.
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Post by wagnersteve on Jun 5, 2024 5:58:43 GMT -8
June 5, nearly 10 a.m., EDT
Interesting thread.
At this point three of the six assembled freight cars I have on order are from Moloco. I'm very pleased indeed with Nick's cars I already have.
Remember that patience is a virtue. And "good things come to those who wait" -- not always, but often.
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