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Post by Baikal on Aug 24, 2022 19:37:41 GMT -8
Those number boards sure do have a notable gap, might that be to allow lighting assemblies to function? I gotta suspect that the lighting assemblies would function without the "notable gap". Why would you NEED a gap to make the lights function? Ed
Spring-loaded with a microswitch?
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Post by atsf_4 on Aug 24, 2022 19:49:30 GMT -8
Never saw black grabs on a Grande Gold PA model or otherwise, and they were NOT depicted as black on Rapido's artwork which didn't show the grabs at all (as built configuration?). This is just one of the reasons why I have no trust in them whatsoever. They change crap and do not tell you the prospective buyer. One distributor had not received their PA's as of this afternoon when my friend ordered me a DRGW. Tomorrow he will change it to NKP because at least they look ok (I saw them in person at another dealer).
Three coats of primer & paint will fix those grabs(?)
Oh, yes they might, but considering the grabs are already the wrong style, and are as thick as O scale grabs should be, I do not want to contemplate 4 more coats of paint on them. I mean, it is approaching Halloween, lol. That would turn it into a creature of my nightmares. No thanks, I'll try to get a Nickel Plate if there's any not already spoken for at the distributor. |
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Post by fr8kar on Aug 24, 2022 20:39:18 GMT -8
I gotta suspect that the lighting assemblies would function without the "notable gap". Why would you NEED a gap to make the lights function? Ed Spring-loaded with a microswitch?
Don't give them any ideas. |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Aug 25, 2022 4:20:39 GMT -8
Three coats of primer & paint will fix those grabs(?) And then they'll be twice as thick!  |
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Aug 25, 2022 6:38:17 GMT -8
Those number boards sure do have a notable gap, might that be to allow lighting assemblies to function? I gotta suspect that the lighting assemblies would function without the "notable gap". Why would you NEED a gap to make the lights function? Ed I agree, why indeed… |
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Post by Baikal on Aug 25, 2022 7:37:50 GMT -8
I really am not going to attack a manufacturer for giving us a model that is really needed in HO. I purchased a few just because I like the PA. Granted if you look at a model long enough some problems will creep for example thick hand grabs etc. I said it before I'll say it again we are living in the Golden Age of this hobby. You can almost get anything you want if you have the money. Corrections are always made after initial runs and for a rule I don't preorder initial runs. I hope they do UP PA's so I can get a set.
Do you have a prediction on when the corrected/improved thin grab PAs will be on the market?
Bueller? Bueller?
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Post by bigblow69 on Aug 25, 2022 8:07:10 GMT -8
I really am not going to attack a manufacturer for giving us a model that is really needed in HO. I purchased a few just because I like the PA. Granted if you look at a model long enough some problems will creep for example thick hand grabs etc. I said it before I'll say it again we are living in the Golden Age of this hobby. You can almost get anything you want if you have the money. Corrections are always made after initial runs and for a rule I don't preorder initial runs. I hope they do UP PA's so I can get a set. Do you have a prediction on when the corrected/improved thin grab PAs will be on the market? Bueller? Bueller?
If it doesn't meet your criteria don't buy it. |
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Post by Baikal on Aug 25, 2022 8:10:37 GMT -8
Do you have a prediction on when the corrected/improved thin grab PAs will be on the market? Bueller? Bueller?
If it doesn't meet your criteria don't buy it.
1) Make claim. 2) Called out. 3) Deflect.
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Post by typhoon on Aug 25, 2022 8:23:53 GMT -8
Never saw black grabs on a Grande Gold PA model or otherwise, All of the grabs except the top one appear to be both black, and the "drop down style".  |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 25, 2022 8:25:15 GMT -8
Do you have a prediction on when the corrected/improved thin grab PAs will be on the market? Bueller? Bueller?
If it doesn't meet your criteria don't buy it. So I'm guessing you DON'T have such a prediction, and your comment is meant to deflect from that fact. Ed |
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Post by atsf_4 on Aug 25, 2022 8:26:45 GMT -8
Their factory refuses to do painted pilot models.
So people are forced to make purchase decisions based upon a colored up drawing.
Models as delivered do NOT match drawing. Those grabs, even if some on DRGW unit actually are black as latest prototype photo (below) appears to show, are still not correct type and were added years later. Rapido's drawing matches or appears to match "as delivered" appearance. NOT the same thing at all!
What are people to do?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 25, 2022 8:26:45 GMT -8
Never saw black grabs on a Grande Gold PA model or otherwise, All of the grabs except the top one appear to be both black, and the "drop down style". GOOD FIND! I spent some time looking, but..... Also illustrated very well by that picture is that the locomotive does not use drop grabs for the ladder, as the Rapido model does. Ed |
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Post by cera2254 on Aug 25, 2022 8:30:42 GMT -8
Also worth noting that in the Proto pic the grabs for the side doors appear larger than the grabs for getting to the nose, not the other way around.
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Post by typhoon on Aug 25, 2022 8:34:19 GMT -8
This image has all of the grabs black, even the top one that was yellow on the last picture I posted.  |
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Post by atsf_4 on Aug 25, 2022 8:35:00 GMT -8
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Post by typhoon on Aug 25, 2022 8:39:03 GMT -8
Also worth noting is that there are other photos of DRGW units that appear to show mostly yellow grabs and not black, maybe only 2 black. I did not provide a link to any of them because they were clearly at the end of DRGW service for the PA's. So there are variations of the way the locomotives looked over their service life. Something to take into consideration before posting, I have never seen Grande Gold PA with black grabs, so therefore Rapido is wrong! It is much like looking at a scan of a 60 year old Ektachrome slide that was developed in the back of a drug store, and deciding based on the scan, that the color of a model is wrong. |
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Post by atsf_4 on Aug 25, 2022 8:40:25 GMT -8
So they can willy nilly change the model after showing whatever version of artwork, and you are perfectly ok with that?
To be clear their artwork, still on the website, shows NO nose grabs at all, reflecting the clean look of a much earlier version of the prototype.
If I wanted all the nose crap I'd buy a Santa Fe or D&H unit, but they certainly have their own issues.
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Post by typhoon on Aug 25, 2022 8:46:10 GMT -8
So they can willy nilly change the model after showing whatever version of artwork, and you are perfectly ok with that? I don't preorder models, and I don't buy until I see them in person, so I don't really care. Even the as delivered Rio Grande PA's had at least one grab iron.  |
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Post by gevohogger on Aug 25, 2022 8:53:36 GMT -8
I really am not going to attack a manufacturer for giving us a model that is really needed in HO. It's a PA.... I can't imagine it being in huge demand. Everyone I know that wanted a PA already has one or more from Proto 2000. A new PA in 2020 would need to be an absolute out-of-the-park screamer, 100% perfect model to get those guys to replace what they already have. No more lateral moves. |
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Post by typhoon on Aug 25, 2022 8:53:58 GMT -8
Again, paint schemes differ over time. Heck, one of your links isn't even the same scheme as the model, hint look at the stripes. Your quote, "Never saw black grabs on a Grande Gold PA model or otherwise" While this model seems to have its flaws, your ignorance of the prototype isn't Rapido's fault. |
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Post by bigblow69 on Aug 25, 2022 8:58:16 GMT -8
If it doesn't meet your criteria don't buy it. So I'm guessing you DON'T have such a prediction, and your comment is meant to deflect from that fact. Have no predictions but as a rule(not always) I don't preorder 1st runs of anything. It seems the initial runs tend to have problems which sometimes get corrected in sucessive runs. I hope Rapido addresses the issues being brought to light. Ed |
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Post by bigblow69 on Aug 25, 2022 9:22:18 GMT -8
I really am not going to attack a manufacturer for giving us a model that is really needed in HO. It's a PA.... I can't imagine it being in huge demand. Everyone I know that wanted a PA already has one or more from Proto 2000. A new PA in 2020 would need to be an absolute out-of-the-park screamer, 100% perfect model to get those guys to replace what they already have. No more lateral moves. I really don't know the demand for a PA but Rapido must have some market research numbers to want to bring it to masses. I suspect they wanted people to double dip, people that have proto to buy Rapido to complement or replace. I know I've done that alot since Ive been in the hobby. Kinda hard not too when all these highly detailed models coming out. I hope the C30-7 they produce will not disappoint. |
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Post by packer on Aug 25, 2022 9:29:13 GMT -8
It's a PA.... I can't imagine it being in huge demand. Everyone I know that wanted a PA already has one or more from Proto 2000. A new PA in 2020 would need to be an absolute out-of-the-park screamer, 100% perfect model to get those guys to replace what they already have. No more lateral moves. I really don't know the demand for a PA but Rapido must have some market research numbers to want to bring it to masses. I suspect they wanted people to double dip, people that have proto to buy Rapido to complement or replace. I know I've done that alot since Ive been in the hobby. Kinda hard not too when all these highly detailed models coming out. I hope the C30-7 they produce will not disappoint. Didn’t Broadway also do a PA as well, or is that the MTH one now? And I hope you’re right about the C30-7. The Broadway one was “underwhelming” |
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Post by lvrr325 on Aug 25, 2022 9:33:00 GMT -8
They've done several things other people have already made and apparently all have sold well despite being priced sometimes twice as much as the previous ones (some of which are still available).
Didn't MTH or someone also make a PA? Probably the biggest difference on the Rapido is it will probably have the best sound of all of them and unlike a Proto it comes with it installed. (save maybe the most recent runs from Walthers)
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Post by typhoon on Aug 25, 2022 9:55:54 GMT -8
MTH also did a PA.
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Post by atsf_4 on Aug 25, 2022 10:03:46 GMT -8
typhoon--
MTH PA's were kinda good but also had a few minor problems. Some don't sit level but are slightly nose high. Very hard to find some roadnames, and they may be far too glossy when you do. Erie units looked really good and are the easiest to find, but maybe I don't model Erie.
If you don't like to preorder that's fine; it's your railroad. Do as you wish.
However there are some diesels out right now that are gone so fast--if you did not pre-order or jump on them as soon as they got here--they are already gone and the stores do not even have them. Distributors are sold out. You could find some of the roadnames, but depending upon the roadname you might want, some were sold out literally before they arrived in the US.
As far as me making a mistake--well I don't study every model of every railroad enough, and photos of DRGW PA's are hard to find (good ones that is). So I messed up. It happens. I'm sorry. That still doesn't excuse the manufacturer only providing incomplete colored drawings, at best.
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Post by typhoon on Aug 25, 2022 10:09:44 GMT -8
However there are some diesels out right now that are gone so fast--if you did not pre-order or jump on them as soon as they got here--they are already gone and the stores do not even have them. Distributors are sold out. You could find some of the roadnames, but depending upon the roadname you might want, some were gone literally before they arrived in the US. The importer told me so directly. It had been so much time, and they continued to take orders after the production quantities were set, that literally every single loco of some roadnames was sold before they ever arrived in the US. As far as me making a mistake--well I don't study every model of every railroad, and photos of DRGW PA's are hard to find (good ones that is). So I messed up. It happens. That still doesn't excuse the manufacturer only providing incomplete colored drawings, at best. The link at the end of this post has never failed me in finding a new model that I wanted but could not find in stores. As for photos of Rio Grande PA's being hard to find, I am not so sure about that. I had no knowledge of Rio Grande PA's before this morning, and a simple Google search while I drank a cup of coffee found everything I posted. www.ebay.com |
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Post by atsf_4 on Aug 25, 2022 10:12:31 GMT -8
I always search rrpicturearchives.net and the fallen flags rail photos first, and there aren't many really good clear conclusive photos on there. I searched for DRGW PA photos as well and didn't find very many. Perhaps my search engine sucked.
I also am remembering the models I saw, in the past, in brass that did not have grabs in black but matching closest body color, be it green top of nose or aspen gold. The photos I saw on rrpicturearchives seem to match those past models.
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Post by Baikal on Aug 25, 2022 11:17:57 GMT -8
Also worth noting is that there are other photos of DRGW units that appear to show mostly yellow grabs and not black, maybe only 2 black. I did not provide a link to any of them because they were clearly at the end of DRGW service for the PA's. So there are variations of the way the locomotives looked over their service life. Something to take into consideration before posting, I have never seen Grande Gold PA with black grabs, so therefore Rapido is wrong! It is much like looking at a scan of a 60 year old Ektachrome slide that was developed in the back of a drug store, and deciding based on the scan, that the color of a model is wrong.
Now it's ok to make comments based on photos.
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Post by Baikal on Aug 25, 2022 11:42:32 GMT -8
Also worth noting that in the Proto pic the grabs for the side doors appear larger than the grabs for getting to the nose, not the other way around.
Yes.
Side door handrails are probably 1.25" or 1.375".
Grab irons are 0.625" or 0.75".
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