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Post by dti406 on Aug 23, 2015 18:29:05 GMT -8
I would be all in for a SD39.......2 Illinois Terminal....2 Santa Fe....... Not to mention a splotch out NW and Black Norfolk & Western on the ex-IT Units. Rick J
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 19:26:47 GMT -8
Athearn is tooling the SDP40F and will announce it soon. Keith Turley Monrovia, California Keith Have you heard anything about the 8500 Turbine from Athearn??? They got everything else from T55/ Overland Larry There is a rumor that ScaleTrains is doing the 3 unit turbine. I am not sure of the source on this rumor. Keith Turley Monrovia, California
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Post by emd16645 on Aug 23, 2015 19:39:57 GMT -8
I would be all in for a SD39.......2 Illinois Terminal....2 Santa Fe....... Not to mention a splotch out NW and Black Norfolk & Western on the ex-IT Units. Rick J I'd pick up a few of those units, in Guilford grey of course.
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Post by PennCentral on Aug 23, 2015 19:40:58 GMT -8
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Post by emd16645 on Aug 23, 2015 19:44:25 GMT -8
Worthy of being in a museum doesn't mean that it's old enough to be there yet. a SD40-2 (not sure of any of these going to museums, yet) or something like a C44-9W/AC4400/GEVO could qualify for that statement.
I'm sure the guys at scale rail are getting a good chuckle out of this thread. I suggest they offer whoever guesses the correct locomotive first a free sample.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 20:10:43 GMT -8
C36-7.
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Post by stevef45 on Aug 23, 2015 20:55:44 GMT -8
sd40-2 or sd60e and will kill it with the veterans and 911 units.
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Post by bnsftcdiv on Aug 23, 2015 21:38:24 GMT -8
Picked up a flyer with the Ken Patterson picture reconstructed from a real photo at Northtown Yard that was described in MRH at the registration table. Inside was an announcement that shows a GP39-2 coming from Athearn Genesis....also SD40 Canadian style rebuilds. Flyer shows corp in the 40's and Portland and Western in the 39-2's but neither road was listed in the upcoming models. 39-2 have BN, ATSF,D&H, Kennecott copper, MKT, Phelps Dodge and Reading....more to come if I see it.
Dave Burman modeling the modern Twin Cities ​Trempealeau, WI
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Post by bncascadegreen on Aug 24, 2015 3:57:23 GMT -8
For the love of God NO MORE SD70ACe`s!!!!!!! We need a DEFINITIVE SD40-2 THAT COVERS IT`S later years ie late 1980`s to NOW. Especially the late 90`s with ditchlights and DETAILED!! Could cover all major railroads,leasers ( FURX ex BN/BNSF LOCOS,renumbered for lower #`s BNSF,etc. how about those SD40Ns theat UP as rebuilt? It`d cover a whole different spectrum. How about a CORRRECT railroad specific C44-9W!? ATSF,BNSF a few schemes now ( 4 ) same for a AC4400CW!? It`d cover CNW,SP,UP AND BNSF!!!! I`m game for ET44C4 blue demos not so much the BNSf new units that are rolling out,as are the CN`s but if the Demos are made then they can satisfy the modern BNSF and CN modelers.
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Post by alcoc430 on Aug 24, 2015 4:05:47 GMT -8
How about make something not done before like a Alco S6 and T6.
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Post by Tom on Aug 24, 2015 7:36:57 GMT -8
C30-7A.... <snicker>
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Post by Spikre on Aug 24, 2015 8:57:09 GMT -8
how about the last of the MLWs ? M424,HR412,HR616 ? could also add in the Never Built HR618. the M640 would be interesting also. will also add a vote for the M420s. Spikre
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Post by Spikre on Aug 24, 2015 8:58:23 GMT -8
Pennsy RS-2s have never been done. maybe because they were actually RS-3s !! Spikre
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Post by PennCentral on Aug 24, 2015 9:39:09 GMT -8
Except for the Pennsy RS-2's that were actually RS-2's..........the ex-D&H ones.
Jason
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Post by PennCentral on Aug 24, 2015 9:42:39 GMT -8
Spikre,
I believe Bowser has kinda sorta announced the M420's a while back although I've not seen any updates in a while.
Jason
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Post by Spikre on Aug 24, 2015 9:53:59 GMT -8
Jason, those pesky D&H RS-3s have been a Thorn in the Side of PRR Rosters for Years. FACT-- they were built in 10/50,well into the RS-3 Production. Fact-- they have Serial Numbers that fall into RS-3 Production. Fact-- they had RS-3 Bodies,not RS-2 bodies. Fact-- D&H never sold off any of their RS-2s,they were sent back to Alco as Trades,or the survivers were scrapped by D&H. Fact-- they WERE in Fact RS-3s !! but it isn't easy to convince SPFs of what that group of locos really were. lets open another can of worms here,Erie 1006 was the last RS-2 bodied loco, but built at the same time were 8 GN RS-2s in RS-3 bodies,seems Alco wanted to get used to building the somewhat different RS-3 Body early. D&H got the 1st Real RS-3s built a few days after the GN units were shipped out. Spikre
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Post by Spikre on Aug 24, 2015 9:59:08 GMT -8
Jason, FWIW,PRR went from the RS-1 to the RS-3. PRR completely skipped the RS-2 model for reasons only known to Broad Street in Philly. Spikre
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Post by Spikre on Aug 24, 2015 11:05:59 GMT -8
Jason, a BLACK 4000 Gallon NATX Tank with 2 Domes would be Very Welcome here. could we expect this car from Kadee some day ?? Spikre
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Post by calzephyr on Aug 24, 2015 11:33:19 GMT -8
The SD39 and SDL39 were two very different locomotives starting with a much different chassis length... So they would be separate projects for any manufacturer considering them. True, so the total number of actual SD39 locos is 54. Larry
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Post by dti406 on Aug 24, 2015 11:54:40 GMT -8
Scale Trains needs a home run on this first release, so as much as I don't like it, it may be an SD40-2 as long as it raises the bar on prototype fidelity, operation, and details. Or one of the modern GE's of which I do not know any of the nomenclature as they are too new for my modeling, but again it has to raise the bar on prototype fidelity, operation and details.
Maybe after a few releases, they can go for some of the esoteric models like the SD39, Alco T-6 etc.
Rick J
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Post by curtmc on Aug 24, 2015 11:55:43 GMT -8
Larry, True. And the bigger handicap on the SD39 is that they were primarily yard/local units - not long distance road power... Many/most modelers want road power, not yard units - unless they happen to be modeling a huge yard (which is tough to do in full size in HO scale). A very similar unit was the SD38-2 and Kato didn't exactly have the best/easiest time selling those.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 12:13:11 GMT -8
Larry, True. And the bigger handicap on the SD39 is that they were primarily yard/local units - not long distance road power... Many/most modelers want road power, not yard units - unless they happen to be modeling a huge yard (which is tough to do in full size in HO scale). A very similar unit was the SD38-2 and Kato didn't exactly have the best/easiest time selling those. SP had the largest fleet of SD39s, 26. They were bought specifically for main line service and were used for many years over Tehachapi- pretty much the opposite of yard power. Later used for heavy transfer service around L.A. ATSF had eight. I think they were used as road power at higher elevations, Colorado & NM. Certainly not as yard/local power, at least when new. SD39s are turbocharged units, and yard/local power is typically non-turbo. You don't want turbo lag when switching a yard.
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Post by sp8299 on Aug 24, 2015 13:46:42 GMT -8
Larry, True. And the bigger handicap on the SD39 is that they were primarily yard/local units - not long distance road power... Many/most modelers want road power, not yard units - unless they happen to be modeling a huge yard (which is tough to do in full size in HO scale). A very similar unit was the SD38-2 and Kato didn't exactly have the best/easiest time selling those. SP had the largest fleet of SD39s, 26. They were bought specifically for main line service and were used for many years over Tehachapi- pretty much the opposite of yard power. Later used for heavy transfer service around L.A. ATSF had eight. I think they were used as road power at higher elevations, Colorado & NM. Certainly not as yard/local power, at least when new. SD39s are turbocharged units, and yard/local power is typically non-turbo. You don't want turbo lag when switching a yard. Exactly. They were bought specifically for the Bakersfield pool, and came with extra ballast (those big steel blocks on their walkways) for even more tractive effort. They weren't high-HP speedsters, but were designed to lug. They were also some of the first SP road units to come with full light packages on the rear, again acknowledging their intention for use on the road, where they might have to run long hood first as light power. It wasn't until the twilight of their careers in the 1980s that saw them bumped down to transfers and "Haulers" in the LA Basin, and finally as heavy switchers at ICTF in Long Beach, switching LONG trains of intermodal cars, lasting through the early years of the UP takeover. That's my memory of them, working in pairs switching stack trains during SP's final years. That turbo 12-645 could sing, and you'd hear them working a heavy cut long before you saw them. :-)
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Post by curtmc on Aug 24, 2015 16:30:47 GMT -8
Those later years are how many remember the SP and ATSF SD39s... Not out on road freights like SD40s and SD40-2s.
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Post by sp8299 on Aug 24, 2015 17:27:55 GMT -8
Those later years are how many remember the SP and ATSF SD39s... Not out on road freights like SD40s and SD40-2s. "Many" according to whom? In the case of the SP SD39s, arguably most SP fans prefer to remember them in their prime, full light packages blazing away, helping to lug tonnage over Tehachapi as SP and EMD intended. There's lots of of coverage of them in SP books doing just that, usually mixed with other SP road power of the era (U-boats, SD35s, etc.). The only reason I brought up my recollections of them in their twilight years is simply because that's the only way I saw them; I hadn't been born when they were built, and grew up in LA in the 90s, and saw them frequently as they lived out their final days.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 18:30:37 GMT -8
I would be all in for a SD39.......2 Illinois Terminal....2 Santa Fe....... Athearn will do them...makes sense...with their newly tooled SD40...which is beautiful, BTW.
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Post by curtmc on Aug 24, 2015 19:13:02 GMT -8
sp8299, "many" as in all your age or younger... Plus us east-coasters who've only seen them - or photos of them - in their later years working the yards... You mention your recollections of the SP SD39s in yard or transfer duty in their final days. This photo is how many recall the ATSF SD39s: www.trainmaster.ch/Pics-c4/30732-05.jpg
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Post by carrman on Aug 24, 2015 20:03:05 GMT -8
Athearn is tooling the SDP40F and will announce it soon. Keith Turley Monrovia, California I've heard this from more official sources....;-) Dave
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 21:37:55 GMT -8
Athearn is tooling the SDP40F and will announce it soon. Keith Turley Monrovia, California I've heard this from more official sources....;-) Dave so have I.......... Keith Turley Monrovia, California
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Post by Judge Doom on Aug 25, 2015 0:23:06 GMT -8
Perhaps a GE P30CH, or a modular tooled SD7/9/18 that allows both early and later versions of the SD9 (different subbases/short hood heights).
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