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Post by Spikre on Aug 25, 2015 1:12:42 GMT -8
?? why are the MN&S SD39s being over looked here ? MN&S 40-41, non Dynamic units. seems the rest of them have been covered earlier. the SP units were Heavy Weights,5300-5317 weighed about 208 tons. 5318-5325 weighed about 205 tons. both groups had 62:15 gearing. wonder what they could have pulled with 50 MPH gearing ? Spikre
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Post by wsor on Aug 25, 2015 1:21:41 GMT -8
Perhaps a modular tooled SD7/9/18 that allows both early and later versions of the SD9 (different subbases/short hood heights). And a way to have a single fuel tank, without anything hanging down (Genesis GP38-2 MILW...)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 8:05:45 GMT -8
Those later years are how many remember the SP and ATSF SD39s... Not out on road freights like SD40s and SD40-2s. After SP's 29 SD39s left Tehachapi service they migrated to Los Angeles area "haulers" moving long, heavy trains between yards 10 to 50 miles apart. This is not local or yard work, these are "road freights" in an urban or suburban setting. No setouts or pickups. Yes, the SD39s did some yard work, but so did other SP 6-axle power like the SD40s, SD45-T2s, etc.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 25, 2015 9:08:28 GMT -8
After SP's 29 SD39s left Tehachapi service they migrated to Los Angeles area "haulers" moving long, heavy trains between yards 10 to 50 miles apart. This is not local or yard work, these are "road freights" in an urban or suburban setting. No setouts or pickups. Yes, the SD39s did some yard work, but so did other SP 6-axle power like the SD40s, SD45-T2s, etc. Good point - the SD40's and tunnel motors were no more yard engines really than the SD39's, but they all have been used in yard service to a limited extent. I would think of them as road engines primarily, in general. Anyway, whatever ScaleTrains produces for it's first engines, they will likely be something that will have a a fairly board sales appeal. So I doubt they would choose something which is a very limited appeal, and there have been some suggestions of that kind. As often is the case, some suggest their pet engine whether or not it's realistic choice for a company to produce and sell out on.
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Post by TBird1958 on Aug 25, 2015 10:14:21 GMT -8
After SP's 29 SD39s left Tehachapi service they migrated to Los Angeles area "haulers" moving long, heavy trains between yards 10 to 50 miles apart. This is not local or yard work, these are "road freights" in an urban or suburban setting. No setouts or pickups. Yes, the SD39s did some yard work, but so did other SP 6-axle power like the SD40s, SD45-T2s, etc. Good point - the SD40's and tunnel motors were no more yard engines really than the SD39's, but they all have been used in yard service to a limited extent. I would think of them as road engines primarily, in general. Anyway, whatever ScaleTrains produces for it's first engines, they will likely be something that will have a a fairly board sales appeal. So I doubt they would choose something which is a very limited appeal, and there have been some suggestions of that kind. As often is the case, some suggest their pet engine whether or not it's realistic choice for a company to produce and sell out on.
I think you're right about a loco with a much broader appeal, they aren't going to produce a prototype that had low production numbers and a limited selection of (popular) roadnames - it's too difficult to get your money back out of the tooling costs in a reasonable time. Obscure Alcos aren't a cash cow!
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Post by alcoc430 on Aug 25, 2015 10:46:24 GMT -8
Good point - the SD40's and tunnel motors were no more yard engines really than the SD39's, but they all have been used in yard service to a limited extent. I would think of them as road engines primarily, in general. Anyway, whatever ScaleTrains produces for it's first engines, they will likely be something that will have a a fairly board sales appeal. So I doubt they would choose something which is a very limited appeal, and there have been some suggestions of that kind. As often is the case, some suggest their pet engine whether or not it's realistic choice for a company to produce and sell out on.
I think you're right about a loco with a much broader appeal, they aren't going to produce a prototype that had low production numbers and a limited selection of (popular) roadnames - it's too difficult to get your money back out of the tooling costs in a reasonable time. Obscure Alcos aren't a cash cow!
You guys may be right about broader appeal but they could make money on most things including a few of those obscure alcos. Look at Rapido they are making lokies that no one thought would ever be made, of course his prices are higher. Some people have called for the definitive sd40-2, maybe the market can handle it. I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.
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Post by rockfan on Aug 25, 2015 10:58:14 GMT -8
Rapido has been around for a while, this is a new company. They need something that will sell and sell very well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 11:50:09 GMT -8
Anyway, whatever ScaleTrains produces for it's first engines, they will likely be something that will have a a fairly board sales appeal. So I doubt they would choose something which is a very limited appeal, and there have been some suggestions of that kind. As often is the case, some suggest their pet engine whether or not it's realistic choice for a company to produce and sell out on. I think that, no matter what the initial ST releases are, people are going to be impressed. Even if the models don't fit your modeling road, era, region or whatever, I'm pretty sure the execution will be well done. Similar to Rapido. Concerning the SD39, it would make sense that any new effort would lead to future releases of models using common parts, and not a single design. So an SD39 implies an SD40, maybe GPs, etc... as far out as you want to extrapolate it. A "modular" U-boat series with Adirondak and GSC trucks would be nice.
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Post by Spikre on Aug 25, 2015 13:15:30 GMT -8
sp8299, spent about an hour earlier looking at the SP SD39 pics in the Diesel Era Article. what boxes on the Walkways are You reffering to ? the Walkways look like normal EMD Walkways seen on many thousands of other EMD locos. ITC SD39s: did they have Dynamic Brakes ? just wondering....? Spikre
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Post by PennCentral on Aug 25, 2015 15:09:46 GMT -8
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Post by curtmc on Aug 25, 2015 17:15:03 GMT -8
I expect we'll see a SD39 from Athearn as part of the SD40/40R project... Some will like them but we'll probably hear the complaints about lack of treadplate, etc...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 17:17:47 GMT -8
That's a negative Ghost Rider. There's no dynamic brakes on the IT SD39's. I like that IT paint scheme. Interesting railroad. The B&M unit is pretty nice too.
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Post by WP 257 on Aug 25, 2015 17:21:27 GMT -8
Since we have all manner of speculation from wild fantasy to something that might sell well, and seemingly everything in between, permit me to add my wish:
Rio Grande M-75 or M-78 4-8-2. Now there's an engine (either class) that should be available in a reasonably priced version (ie not an old "custom trash" model that requires upgrading just to run)!
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Post by csx3305 on Aug 25, 2015 21:37:11 GMT -8
Please, please, PLEASE let it be a late-phase B36-7 (SBD, CSX, CR) or an early phase NS C39-8.
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Post by Spikre on Aug 26, 2015 11:12:10 GMT -8
Jason, thanks for the ITC SD39 pics. notice the one pic that the rear truck doesn't seem to mounted correctly ? maybe not done being Shopped yet ? or the B&M one seems to have a slightly Bowed frame. 1st loco: should be some sort of EMD. a Flexi Coil equipped SW1200 would be a good choice. as would a GP35 Phase-2. they could do a GP28 off that later. being in Tennessee they could do the Oak Ridge Nuclear RS-1 that is so hard to find pics or info on. Spikre
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Post by roadkill on Aug 26, 2015 16:20:42 GMT -8
I'm hoping for a U25B, the only way the hoary old Stewart can be fixed is to scrap the dies and start over...
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Post by sd80mac on Aug 26, 2015 16:49:20 GMT -8
How about a nice C30-7 or C36-7? Or both.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 26, 2015 18:32:52 GMT -8
Ya know, those IT units look so hot/cool that I may have to, should they be produced, add them to my "you REALLY don't NEED these, but......" roster. You know, like the FL9's.
Ed
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Post by dti406 on Aug 26, 2015 18:47:54 GMT -8
Ya know, those IT units look so hot/cool that I may have to, should they be produced, add them to my "you REALLY don't NEED these, but......" roster. You know, like the FL9's. Ed The neat thing is the IT units ended up on the N&W and were assigned to the old W&LE areas of the railroad, the were not immediately repainted and just had the IT painted out and NW applied in a very neat fashion as they were not fully repainted for a time. Rick J
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Post by PennCentral on Aug 26, 2015 18:51:54 GMT -8
You know what's even neater about the IT units? They wound up in GUILFORD paint!
Hey, not all of us are old enough to have started railfanning before Guilford. It's the railroad I grew up railfanning.
Jason
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Post by djh4d on Aug 26, 2015 18:57:26 GMT -8
Please, please, PLEASE let it be a late-phase B36-7 (SBD, CSX, CR) or an early phase NS C39-8. -Dave
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Post by jbilbrey on Aug 26, 2015 19:14:10 GMT -8
At one point last year, Bowser mentioned that it had plans for EMD/GMD variants of the SD38/39/40, which is why I didn't add a SD39 to my guess list.
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Post by pacificed on Aug 26, 2015 19:15:32 GMT -8
Here is my list:
MLW M420, M424, HR412 B36-7 U36B C36-7 Dash 8-40CM C415
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Post by coy on Aug 26, 2015 21:00:36 GMT -8
All of my modeling to date has been modern, but if the SD39's come out in IT I would pick up a couple.
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Post by fr8kar on Aug 26, 2015 22:05:10 GMT -8
Please, please, PLEASE let it be a late-phase B36-7 (SBD, CSX, CR) or an early phase NS C39-8. -Dave I'm with you on this, just as long as it's not the one that looks like a C40-8. I want the real ugly one!
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Post by jaygee on Aug 27, 2015 7:28:47 GMT -8
A Southern PS4 would be great model, but not my first choice for a new company. Alco T6 would be a lot safer, and probably run a lot better, and sell almost as well. As for the Big Turbine, I would expect this from Athearn Genesis at some point soon. If not, I'd bet on Mike doing it after Jan. 2017. Hey there's still a strong market for a series of Branchline quality heavyweight head end passenger stock.
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Post by cellis231 on Aug 27, 2015 13:53:47 GMT -8
All of my modeling to date has been modern, but if the SD39's come out in IT I would pick up a couple. Most of my modeling to date has been in the 1950's, but if the SD-39's come out in IT or N&W Green I would pick up a couple. These ran in the area I model in SE Ohio but in 1982. I've always liked the sudden splash of color they added to the drab N&W roster. I do have a small amount of 80's stuff and would love to add these from Scale Trains, Athearn or whoever.
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Post by calzephyr on Aug 27, 2015 13:58:23 GMT -8
The latest clue includes detail like Tri Color marker lights???
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Post by GP40P-2 on Aug 27, 2015 15:26:34 GMT -8
Uh, maybe the KM ML-4000 hood units? The SP9010 project / Nile Canyon Railway said that they were working with someone on doing a model, and the comments above imply that Scale Trains is working with a preservation organization. Kind of weird for a first model, but it adds up, sort of.....
Did KM's have "tri-color class lights"? And oh goodie, more "rotating bearing caps" to deposit themselves around the layout, some never to be seen again.
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Post by alcoc430 on Aug 27, 2015 15:35:05 GMT -8
Tricolor lights and only done in brass leaves something Canadian EMD SD50F, SD60F, although done in resin there is the M420W. Slim chance of a Alco C855.
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