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Post by carrman on Jul 18, 2014 12:00:00 GMT -8
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Post by valenciajim on Jul 18, 2014 12:11:47 GMT -8
Thanks for forwarding the link!
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Post by alcoc430 on Jul 18, 2014 12:25:13 GMT -8
Bowser C636 looks great. Hornby U25C top rail was made shallower than the post but is still flat.
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Post by carrman on Jul 18, 2014 13:04:35 GMT -8
BN lettering on C636 is suspect, dynamic grilles on GMD SD40-2 look a mite tall, but overall that looks like a nice unit also.
Dave
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Post by thebessemerkid on Jul 18, 2014 13:07:17 GMT -8
Good link. Still have not heard a peep on Spring Mills Depot new car...
Handrails continue to be an issue. Someone has got to have a better mousetrap.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 18, 2014 14:05:04 GMT -8
BN lettering on C636 is suspect... Here's a shot of BN 4361 for comparison: www.locophotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=10798The big numbers: The "hole" in the 6 should be round, the model appears to have an oval. The "hole" in the 4 looks too big on the model. The cab herald: the BN monogram shouldn't go down onto the door. The lettering below should be more compressed. The A-636 on the sill below the cab should be smaller. The screening at the rear looks pretty scary. I hope it looks better than I'm reading it. Sorta reminds me of the PC C430 lettering problem. Sorta. I'm not sure Bowser has the attention to detail thing down, yet. Also, the beacon looks like it's non-working--kinda opaque. Ed |
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Post by atsfan on Jul 18, 2014 14:56:17 GMT -8
The new Cleveland Hall is interesting.
For some reason it is underground.
All of the beautiful lake to work with and they buried it.
Also only one set of small escalators for a huge place, which were not working half of the time.
Show was nice. Busy but not crowded.
Tangent's new car was there and looks great.
Exactrails new flat car looks really great.
Moloco had new car models there and they look really nice.
BLMA had new flat car early versions. I did not get to see them close up do to obsessive foamers staring at the BLMA bridges which are super nice.
MTH new GE's looked good. Paint is glossy but they look sharp.
Bowser had the Canadian Sd40-2 model seen in the picture there. It looked OK, but hard to tell from what it is at this stage.
Intermountain had the US versions of the SD40-2 there. They are in country and ship in August. They looked really nice in BN and UP snoot.
Athearn had the auto racks there . Sharp. Top railings were bent but they are show versions so probably banged up.
Walters had the Capital Limited in three test cars in plastic. I am sure they will be nice.
Even the Bachman GEVOs and ACEs looked OK painted and in person. For a discount they may be useful.
Layouts were nice.
A few dealers there with good stuff.
More of a trade show than a usual train show.
Long term I wonder if they need to move it from expensive big city Convention Centers.....
I did a quick tour fitting it into some business. Overall a nice show and the local NMRA staff is to be commended they had it well staffed and operating.
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Post by markfj on Jul 18, 2014 15:33:40 GMT -8
BN lettering on C636 is suspect... Here's a shot of BN 4361 for comparison: www.locophotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=10798The big numbers: The "hole" in the 6 should be round, the model appears to have an oval. The "hole" in the 4 looks too big on the model. The cab herald: the BN monogram shouldn't go down onto the door. The lettering below should be more compressed. The A-636 on the sill below the cab should be smaller. The screening at the rear looks pretty scary. I hope it looks better than I'm reading it. Sorta reminds me of the PC C430 lettering problem. Sorta. I'm not sure Bowser has the attention to detail thing down, yet. Also, the beacon looks like it's non-working--kinda opaque. Ed Yes, the “BN” herald looks a bit over sized. Also, looks like some damage to the handrail stanchions around the grill area. Since you mentioned the PC font issue with the C430, does the font look better on the C636 shown? Those issues aside, I think the model is outstanding. The trucks look great as do the fuel and air tanks. I know there has been a lot of talk about the motors Bowser currently installs in the C630s, but I don’t believe that will stop me from buying one of these locomotives. |
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Post by carrman on Jul 18, 2014 16:07:00 GMT -8
Word is Bowser worked with the PC historical society on the C636 lettering.
Dave
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Post by ambluco on Jul 18, 2014 16:48:25 GMT -8
Hornby U25C is for certain a Riv. U25C rehash. At least parts of it. Would love an SCL but I'll pass.
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Post by drolsen on Jul 18, 2014 16:54:08 GMT -8
The Central Valley double track bridge looks fantastic! I think they've been working on that model for a while. I seem to recall hearing it mentioned years ago.
Dave
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Post by WP 257 on Jul 18, 2014 17:12:19 GMT -8
I think the rear side radiator screens on the C-636 look much better in person than in the images posted. Perhaps someone can post a better close up of the rear of the C-636?
Also, before anybody with sharp eyes complains about the IC unit, Bowser is already aware the back of the cab is supposed to be entirely orange, and not have the white band extending onto it (as on the sample model). That will be fixed for sure.
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Post by carrman on Jul 18, 2014 17:20:25 GMT -8
I hope they can still fix the BN units.
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Post by WP 257 on Jul 18, 2014 17:26:02 GMT -8
I think there is most likely still time (it depends upon whether or not they've signed off on everything yet). I got to see just the IC sample recently.
It would be best to contact them directly with any errors you happen to find and be very specific with what needs to be fixed (always best if you can provide good photos or links). They do gladly receive constructive criticism.
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Post by carrman on Jul 18, 2014 17:40:03 GMT -8
Send me an email I can send some picture links to. I want them to get that lettering right so they don't lose sales. I REALLY want the C636 to be a total sell out!
Dave
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 19:00:15 GMT -8
Love that bridge; ExactRails flats...Tangent Covered Hopper...Athearns auto racks...
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Post by carrman on Jul 18, 2014 19:36:20 GMT -8
Athearn just posted a later version will come with the add on side panels.
Dave
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Post by JohnJ on Jul 18, 2014 20:08:48 GMT -8
The Penn Central lettering on the C636 does look better to my eyes. However, it looks like they've now hosed up the worms. Hope it's just the angle of the picture, as that would be a much tougher fix.
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Post by WP 257 on Jul 18, 2014 20:12:48 GMT -8
carrman--
Only email I have (other than the retail store) is the one on their website: bowser@bowser-trains.com
I'm pretty sure anything you send to that address will get read. You can always say "ATTN: Lee English" or maybe have a subject like "C-636 BN lettering issue - photos attached". Something specific like that would get their attention and they'd know it's not spam.
Obviously, it'll be a few days after the show till they are home.
Alternatively, sometimes folks have been known to call them directly over the phone and make constructive suggestions (which were implemented). You should be able to find the phone number on their website. Then ask for someone in new product development or for Lee himself.
If it were me, I would want to be absolutely certain of the validity of any information before I contacted them. Is the lettering scheme on the model correct for as-delivered? Or not? If you have the applicable issue of Diesel Era, or their book on the Big Alcos, the question I would have is didn't the BN lettering size and/or placement vary over time as engines got repainted? The one image link above appears as if it might be a later image. I am aware the BN green varied considerably over time and based upon where units were painted, if delivered new, or if they were repainted in house. So just how consistently was the lettering placed? (I personally don't know, and am just throwing this out there).
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Post by alcors32 on Jul 18, 2014 23:11:23 GMT -8
Here's a shot of BN 4361 for comparison: www.locophotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=10798The big numbers: The "hole" in the 6 should be round, the model appears to have an oval. The "hole" in the 4 looks too big on the model. The cab herald: the BN monogram shouldn't go down onto the door. The lettering below should be more compressed. The A-636 on the sill below the cab should be smaller. The screening at the rear looks pretty scary. I hope it looks better than I'm reading it. Sorta reminds me of the PC C430 lettering problem. Sorta. I'm not sure Bowser has the attention to detail thing down, yet. Also, the beacon looks like it's non-working--kinda opaque. Ed Yes, the “BN” herald looks a bit over sized. Also, looks like some damage to the handrail stanchions around the grill area. Since you mentioned the PC font issue with the C430, does the font look better on the C636 shown? Those issues aside, I think the model is outstanding. The trucks look great as do the fuel and air tanks. I know there has been a lot of talk about the motors Bowser currently installs in the C630s, but I don’t believe that will stop me from buying one of these locomotives. |
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Post by alcors32 on Jul 18, 2014 23:13:42 GMT -8
What was the talk about the motor in the C636 that you mention?
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Post by markfj on Jul 19, 2014 4:08:17 GMT -8
Comments about the motor Bowser used in their C630 can be found starting on or about page 3 of the Atlas RS-3 post. However, let’s please not turn this thread into another discussion on motors.   Back on topic: I too noticed that the “PC” logo looked a little compressed, but have not compared it to any prototype photos yet. Also, I thought one or more forum members had contacted Hornby regarding the handrails on the HO U25C. What happened there? Mark |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Jul 19, 2014 4:35:09 GMT -8
Edit: I was mistaken on this, logo does appear to be correct. Thank you fast14 for the catch. See c636 prototype photos in posts below. Edit 2: Now appears that not all had the squared worms. Maybe my memory isn't gone completely after all. The PC logo is incorrect. Hoping it was a placeholder. The PENN CENTRAL font is better, but not quite there yet. Send China a set of Microscale decals or something.    |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Jul 19, 2014 4:48:30 GMT -8
 3 things that Athearn should do, but likely won't: Give it up on molded scale railings. Mold, drill or predrill (dimple) the stanchions with holes and supply real wire (prebent or not) Make the rack superstructure removable for weathering Supply all the fiddly bits in a separate package and let us apply them square, true and unbroken |
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Post by atsfan on Jul 19, 2014 5:01:24 GMT -8
3 things that Athearn should do, but likely won't: Give it up on molded scale railings. Mold, drill or predrill (dimple) the stanchions with holes and supply real wire (prebent or not) Make the rack superstructure removable for weathering Supply all the fiddly bits in a separate package and let us apply them square, true and unbroken I agree on the human hair like handrails. |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Jul 19, 2014 5:36:11 GMT -8
Honestly, I think athearn might be surprised at response to prepainted, but only semi-assembled racks. They look great, but could be another qc nightmare, a la intermountain's etched panel autoracks.
Especially if they could knock $5-10 off the $50 sticker.
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Post by WP 257 on Jul 19, 2014 6:06:01 GMT -8
Bessemerkid--
Please verify your comments about the PC logo on the C-636's. Why? Because I read somewhere that the PC C-636's received a non-standard (squared off) Penn Central logo when delivered new. That may be in the one new Morning Sun book about the Penn Central power...
Now, I'm not a Penn Central modeler, but I know Bowser has the Diesel Era Books on the Alco Centuries (they were actually printed locally to Bowser) and they use them religiously as reference material, along with any supplemental information they can obtain.
Just because the PC herald on the U-boat photo shown is different from the C-636 does not make the C-636 wrong. Just please check it out.
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Post by WP 257 on Jul 19, 2014 6:12:59 GMT -8
www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1572346There's one image I found that seems to show the "more squared off" large size PC logo on the C-636's as originally delivered. Anyone know how hard it is to try to find an earlier PC C-636 image online where you can see the logo through the dirt?--lol
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Post by buffalobill on Jul 19, 2014 6:13:51 GMT -8
Bessemer: The lines across the top of the car are safety cables, not handrails. The sag is in there on purpose, clad, and have some give, so when the car doors are opened into it they are not damaged. The Autorack cars do look fantastic, and they will be updating them with side panels. Timing on the revisions was not provided. The first runs are early to mid 1960's models, the racks applicable to the later periods will be coming. The Athearn Genesis UP SD-70M flair's looked really nice, even "big Al" approved.
The Bowser C-636's were the pre-production units, some changes were noted to Bowser, i9ncluding the PC mating worms issues, and they will be fixed. Ed, the beacons will be flashing on the production BN unit, the display unit had a blob of orange plastic. They looked nice. The handrails on the display units were mangled by 12PM when I saw them. Handling.
The Moloco Santa Fe cars looked fantastic. As did all of their cars. Nick did not have a hopper on display. Just GATX RBL's and the pre-production Santa Fe cars.
Biggest disappointment of the show for me was the U-25-C, has potential, but the hand rails KILLED IT FOR ME.
Lots of stuff to look at.
Bill
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Jul 19, 2014 7:00:42 GMT -8
I have shot about half of the great videos coming to YouTube. Heading back to the show for the rest today.
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