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Post by marknycfan on Jul 20, 2015 17:25:28 GMT -8
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Post by tankcarsrule on Jul 20, 2015 17:29:34 GMT -8
Same as the Atlas car but more expensive!?
Thanks, Bobby
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Post by atsfan on Jul 20, 2015 17:51:51 GMT -8
We just had comments about BLMA doing modern only.
Kadee does transition era etc only to balance out.
They make nice stuff although I do not have any.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 20, 2015 18:05:56 GMT -8
Perhaps it IS the Atlas car. Maybe Atlas sold it to Kadee. 'Cause duplicating the Atlas car is a strange choice, as noted above.
Ed
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Post by ddatrainman on Jul 20, 2015 18:07:11 GMT -8
That is a really sweet looking tank car. Might just pick one up Kadee cars are real nice models
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Post by mlehman on Jul 20, 2015 18:26:40 GMT -8
Seriously doubt it's the Atlas car. Kadee likes their stuff to snap together wherever possible, instead of glue.
Tank cars wear an really impressive list of schemes from their numerous owners. I doubt Kadee will repeat much if anything that Atlas has done. And I'd bet a comparison side by side of the two cars will yield plenty of visual difference. Kadee sticks to scale, whereas Atlas tends to thicken some details to hold up to handling better.
Uh, and Kadee is Made in the USA.
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Jul 20, 2015 18:57:54 GMT -8
Accurail needs a tank car in its line. Something in the funky 4000-gallon range.
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Post by lajrmdlr on Jul 20, 2015 20:25:02 GMT -8
Seriously doubt it's the Atlas car. Kadee likes their stuff to snap together wherever possible, instead of glue. Tank cars wear an really impressive list of schemes from their numerous owners. I doubt Kadee will repeat much if anything that Atlas has done. And I'd bet a comparison side by side of the two cars will yield plenty of visual difference. Kadee sticks to scale, whereas Atlas tends to thicken some details to hold up to handling better. Uh, and Kadee is Made in the USA. You're right on Mike. Kadee is WAY above Atlas in quality & prototype accuracy. Given just that there's no way Kadee would ever copy Atlas! |
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Post by mlehman on Jul 20, 2015 23:12:27 GMT -8
Andy, Yes, I think for those doing the Sticker Shock Jitters, the difference in what you get for your money will be visible. Kadee is also subject to the usual discounting, so doubt more than a few pay the MSRP. I'm pretty certain it's a model people will be proud to own. Not that the Atlas is a bad model. It's just that Kadee is better...plus no cheap knock-off couplers  Not quite certain if I'd retain the scale couplers that come with it, once I can afford one again, but I'm sure they look great out of the box. I pretty much called my scale couple experiment over with a couple of years ago due to vertical curvage issues BTW, at least this is NOT Kadee's first locomotive -- a F-unit.   The tank car is common enough that having at least two outfits making it is not a big deal. A little of that kind of competition keeps folks on their toes and leads to better models, too. |
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Post by marknycfan on Jul 21, 2015 1:29:40 GMT -8
It's rather ridicules to think it's anything but Kadee's work
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Post by lajrmdlr on Jul 21, 2015 7:27:42 GMT -8
It would be a very good guess that Kadee will be coming out w/ more reporting marks for this tank car since ACF made so many!
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Post by stevewagner on Jul 21, 2015 7:46:04 GMT -8
Ever since they were introduced in 2003 I've considered Atlas's 11,000 gallon ACF tank cars among the nicest models that firm makes. I've bought twenty of them over the years, ten marked for carrying LP gas (for seven sellers) and about five each for ammonia and chlorine.
The most striking superiority of the newly announced Kadee version is the see-through running boards and platforms that are apparently also closer to scale thickness. I do prefer Kadee's couplers to Accumates. The greater delicacy of some other parts on the Kadee model is less important to me. The price difference between Kadee's MSRP of $44.95 per car and Atlas's $37.95 for the most recent run is less than I would have expected, especially since Kadee's models are manufactured, assembled and decorated in the USA.
I may eventually try to get one or more of the Kadee tank cars if they're produced in paint schemes that particularly interest me.
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Post by grahamline on Jul 21, 2015 7:49:25 GMT -8
The delicacy of the Kadee details is offset by their ability to select the appropriate materials, making them considerably more durable than styrene.
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Post by riogrande on Jul 21, 2015 7:57:16 GMT -8
They looks very nice! Kadee should please any post war modeler though the 1960's at least - and some lingered on though the 1970's I'd guess.
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Post by drolsen on Jul 21, 2015 8:47:20 GMT -8
While I can't use these cars myself, I'm really glad to see Kadee release a new car. It seems like almost a decade since they brought out their open hopper. I only wish they would backdate a little more and produce prototypes from World War II. I have a "secret" collection of wartime freight cars to support my interest in WWII history. I hope that someone will produce a model someday that will help me model this later Seaboard prototype: CSXT 993406Dave |
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Post by atsfan on Jul 21, 2015 9:15:10 GMT -8
Atlas will probably increase its prices for their next run.
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Post by Spikre on Jul 21, 2015 10:44:58 GMT -8
 Yawn,,,! we don't need another ACF Tank car,other companies like GATC and Pressed Steel made tanks also. UTLX X-3 in its many versions would have been a nice choice. and Kadee will trickle out 1 or 2 roadnames a millennium. any one have a 40 car Reading 2 bay hopper train with all different factory numbers from Kadee ?? their cars are nice,but are a Side Show on the HO Highway. and unlike another poster,there are at least 6 Kadee PS-1s here,but its been about a decade since the last one arrived. Spikre 
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Post by mlehman on Jul 21, 2015 11:01:00 GMT -8
Yawn,,,! we don't need another ACF Tank car SNIP their cars are nice,but are a Side Show on the HO Highway. and unlike another poster,there are at least 6 Kadee PS-1s here,but its been about a decade since the last one arrived. Spikre Spikre, OK, guess the beatings will continue until morale improves? |
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Post by Spikre on Jul 21, 2015 11:20:02 GMT -8
 Mike, Kadee Cars are Excellent,but the way they trickle out is a sore spot here,and maybe with others. once in a while Kadee doe release maybe 3 numbers of a car at once,think the NYC and D&H 40' 6' door PS-1s had this happen,maybe one of the 1st PS-2 covered hoppers also ? but it has been rare. with the Tank car 1-Atlas has been there with a decent model. 2-the 11,000 gallon is an odd size for multiple tanks on that length frame. 3- tank cars in that price range arnt on the radar here no matter Who makes them. but reason 1 is the main one,why duplicate an already acceptable car ? what was the last Kadee car you acquired ? Spikre
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Post by stevewagner on Jul 21, 2015 11:31:21 GMT -8
Kadee has never released more than one D&H car at a time. That's also true for Boston & Maine, Buffalo Creek and a number of other lines that interest me. I've actually been glad of that, because paying for more than one car or two cars at a time can be daunting.
I like the fact that Kadee announces its models three months ahead of time, which allows for the planning of purchases. And I'm particularly happy that Kadee ALWAYS ships a car during the month it has said it would; I'm sure many others in our hobby are also glad about this.
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Post by Spikre on Jul 21, 2015 11:47:51 GMT -8
 Steve, did Kadee release 3 different D&H 40' PS-1s in about a 12 month span ? this would have been very early in the scheme of things back then. they did release 3 Erie 40' 7' door cars over a 3 year span,got the last 2,but did miss the 1st number. was worst here with the 3 Susie Q 40' cars released over a similar span as the Erie cars,only landed 1 of 3. did get the 2 EL special run 40' cars,but they sort of goofed slightly on those cars,shouldnt have had the roofwalk left on,but were well printed and painted other wise. Spikre 
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Post by mlehman on Jul 21, 2015 12:25:01 GMT -8
Mike, Kadee Cars are Excellent,but the way they trickle out is a sore spot here,and maybe with others. once in a while Kadee doe release maybe 3 numbers of a car at once,think the NYC and D&H 40' 6' door PS-1s had this happen,maybe one of the 1st PS-2 covered hoppers also ? but it has been rare. with the Tank car 1-Atlas has been there with a decent model. 2-the 11,000 gallon is an odd size for multiple tanks on that length frame. 3- tank cars in that price range arnt on the radar here no matter Who makes them. but reason 1 is the main one,why duplicate an already acceptable car ? what was the last Kadee car you acquired ? Spikre Spikre, The last was a Monon hopper. It's been a couple of years, the budget can't afford Kadee right now. Personally, I have no trouble with their release schedule. You can find and track it easily, they generally keep to it, lots of lead time with announcements and WYSIWYG, really no surprises. Of course, no one's perfect, so I guess we'll have to put up with slow releases. EDIT: saw Steve's comments after posting, great minds must think alike.  Kadee could do a LOT worse than it has and we could talk about them all the times like certain other companies -- but they don't and we won't. |
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Post by markfj on Jul 21, 2015 12:54:00 GMT -8
This car looks nice. Kadee cars are expensive, but I have found some good deals on them at shows and even eBay. The same was true with Tangent and Exactrail, although the deals seem to have disappeared on those lately. For what you get, separately applied grabs and ladders, great brake detail, and of course Kadee trucks, wheels, and couplers, the price isn’t too bad.
Mark
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Post by Judge Doom on Jul 21, 2015 13:41:24 GMT -8
Glad I bought up a bunch of spare 11,000 gal tanks Atlas had on sale on their website a while back. $5.95 per car (but no trucks) is still a steal, and for the price of one Kadee I could have at least 7 Atlas ones.
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Post by Spikre on Jul 22, 2015 10:24:02 GMT -8
 Mike, a problem with Kadee cars is sell outs. they did do 2 more Erie and Susie Q cars,but don't recall any more of them since the last run. could get the undec kits and do some painting and decaling,but don't think the 40' PS-1 with a 7' door is available as a kit ? even the kit selection is rather limited. and don't just get "Blow Outs" here,will pay full fare for items wanted bad enuff. YMMV ! Spikre
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Post by petehuse on Jul 22, 2015 10:54:24 GMT -8
I wonder if they will be American made? I think that is an advantage right there!
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Post by Spikre on Jul 22, 2015 11:50:18 GMT -8
 Pete, why wouldn't they be U.S. made ? You know sumthin here ?? Spikre
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Post by Spikre on Jul 22, 2015 11:54:20 GMT -8
Mike, Your 1 body style up on me,unless You also have some PS-2s ? the Atlas and Accu-Rail 2 bay offsets are good enuff for here. there may be 1 Erie series they could do,but havnt seen anything that Kadee has done any Erie cars yet. but if they do may get one. Spikre
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Post by petehuse on Jul 22, 2015 15:47:19 GMT -8
No, I don't know anything about whether they are American made or imported. I just hope they haven't given up and gone the Chinese way. I could not see any particular mention of it on the announcement.
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Post by grahamline on Jul 22, 2015 16:00:01 GMT -8
www.kadee.com/ca/40ps1/40ps1.htm says the 40-foot PS1 with 7-foot door is available with wide and narrow tabs. The kits are absurdly easy to assemble. No filing or fiddling to get stuff to fit. Strange the 7-footers don't appear in the listing. Seems like everything else is there. When I've ordered their kits direct, they have showed up here (Portland OR) in about three days. "Sam the Answer Man" told me a couple of years ago that everything they make is produced in-house and they had no intention of changing that policy. That includes their packaging and printing as well. The top right corner of their home page says "Kadee Manufactured and Assembled in the USA." All model railroad production these days is subject to selling out. Kadee is not unique in that regard. Shorter runs are a product of a market that now insists on highly individualized models -- can't stick the same horns etc on every model. As an aside, my dealer says many customers now barely look at his stock except for his "New Introductions." They have little interest in items mfr'd a year ago.
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Kadee could do a LOT worse than it has and we could talk about them all the times like certain other companies -- but they don't and we won't.
