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PWRS 5077?
Feb 16, 2021 17:23:24 GMT -8
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Post by simulatortrain on Feb 16, 2021 17:23:24 GMT -8
So, has anyone contacted PWRS and let them know? Or are you expecting them to read your comments here? Figured I'd wait for them to show up since I already paid for them.
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Post by unittrain on Feb 16, 2021 17:25:49 GMT -8
From what I've heard on another forum the owner of PWRS has a really nasty take it or leave it attitude to be honest with you I'm happy I didn't purchase these there is absolutely no excuse for such obvious errors it really shows a serious lack of effort to provide a quality product I mean come on the lettering is easy to research its totally ridiculous.
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PWRS 5077?
Feb 16, 2021 17:59:53 GMT -8
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Post by unittrain on Feb 16, 2021 17:59:53 GMT -8
I might be wrong but in some pictures the end ribs appear a little to narrow like the last posts are too close to the ends.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 16, 2021 18:23:05 GMT -8
So, has anyone contacted PWRS and let them know? Or are you expecting them to read your comments here? Oh, look! Photos went up waaaaaayyyy back on October 19, 2018 of this very car and none of the eagle eyes here caught the problem, and said something to the folks at PWRS when something could have been done but now pile on the bandwagon. Hmmmmm..... Up until problems with the lettering were pointed out in this topic, I hadn't really looked all that closely. I had decided not to get any of the first round for a variety of reasons, so my inspiration was limited. Ed
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Post by csxt8400 on Feb 16, 2021 18:44:15 GMT -8
The funny part is the SOU railbox patch has the capital lettering like it should. I was already thinking custom paint, now it looks like a lot of us are
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Post by canrailfan on Feb 16, 2021 19:04:55 GMT -8
I received a few more images directly from Dan. I'm starting to see errors. These are production models. Dan was adamant these are the most accurate box cars. He said he spent over $100K fixing the previous errors. One thing that immediately is second guessing my order is that he said he sent a competitor's truck to the Chinese to engineer exact copies for the cars. The "The" in "The nationwide boxcar pool" is not positioned correctly and has a lower case "t" when it should have an upper case "T". This causes all the lettering to be slighting off. The car end initials and road number are misplaced and too large. The picture is too fuzzy to see what the end ladders look like. The left side of the door looks like it's jetting out away from the body. The door hardware in the top door track should be painted the body yellow and not black. I don't have a clue what the large black protrusion is sticking out on the left hand side of the door over the body. There is no match for it in prototype images unless it's a small latch, but then there is nothing on the body to "latch" it to. Missing all door hardware to the left of the door. The bottom door track under the door appears to be free floating. Just under the roof on the prototype there is an overlapping piece of sheet metal over the ribs which also creates a gap between the ribs. On the model this piece is flush with the top of the ribs and solid - the lip is replicated though.
There doesn't appear to be any door latch hardware on the door itself either.
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Post by myoungwisc on Feb 16, 2021 19:21:58 GMT -8
Bummer.
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Post by canrailfan on Feb 16, 2021 19:43:23 GMT -8
The funny part is the SOU railbox patch has the capital lettering like it should. I was already thinking custom paint, now it looks like a lot of us are For the price of these cars re-painting and re-lettering should not be necessary. Plus having to somehow add the missing door hardware details? These don't look like NARC-quality cars, some of which have been very nice. PWRS should drop the price under the circumstances.
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Post by cemr5396 on Feb 16, 2021 19:53:32 GMT -8
ya know, the floor and draft gear looks really nice on that Railbox. It's too bad everything above that is a hot mess
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PWRS 5077?
Feb 16, 2021 20:03:14 GMT -8
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Post by csxt8400 on Feb 16, 2021 20:03:14 GMT -8
The funny part is the SOU railbox patch has the capital lettering like it should. I was already thinking custom paint, now it looks like a lot of us are For the price of these cars re-painting and re-lettering should not be necessary. Plus having to somehow add the missing door hardware details? These don't look like NARC-quality cars, some of which have been very nice. PWRS should drop the price under the circumstances. Totally agree, the door hardware is shocking. This is a bummer for sure, and I hope things can be remedied for the 2nd run. As it stands, the CP cars are a neat modified version and the CSX cars come with the proper doors (sans door detail) which is reason enough for me to fix them to my liking.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 16, 2021 20:20:05 GMT -8
So, has anyone contacted PWRS and let them know? Or are you expecting them to read your comments here? Yes, I expect PWRS, as a manufacturer, to read our comments here. We are customers. It is an incredible opportunity for a manufacturer to eavesdrop (as a lurker), and learn things that need learning. I expect even Rapido is still lurking--stupid if they don't. They are all welcome. But perhaps they're too busy with "things" to have the time. Too bad. So. Way back in 2018, the members of this forum either: 1. Saw these problems, and CHOSE not to say something about them to PWRS. or 2. Saw these problems, and FORGOT to say something about them to PWRS. or 3. Didn't see them, and COULDN'T therefore say something about them to PWRS. or 4. Weren't on the forum at the time. There's kind of a hint in this post that the members of this forum are expected to catch the mistakes of manufacturers. And do it promptly, damn it, or ELSE. WRONG. Maybe when PWRS screws up, they should come on here and apologize. Humbly. And describe how they'll fix the problem. Instead of blaming us. Ed
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Post by ras on Feb 16, 2021 21:40:00 GMT -8
For those who want to compare and tally the issues... There are some pretty major detail and dimensional errors on these cars, and that's before we get to the paint and lettering issues. A shame, really... a nice model of the Pullman-Standard 5077 cars is needed. This doesn't appear to be it. -Rick Selby
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Post by gevohogger on Feb 17, 2021 5:24:09 GMT -8
So, has anyone contacted PWRS and let them know? Or are you expecting them to read your comments here? There's kind of a hint in this post that the members of this forum are expected to catch the mistakes of manufacturers. And do it promptly, damn it, or ELSE. The flip side to this issue is this: when we DO catch the errors early, we get browbeat by the fanboys to "Don't be so harsh; these are pre-production samples! They will fix everything so it is perfect!"
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Post by riogrande on Feb 17, 2021 5:35:47 GMT -8
The funny part is the SOU railbox patch has the capital lettering like it should. I noticed that. Anyway, I'm passing on this run. If they ever get re-run with errors corrected, I'll take another look.
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Post by gevohogger on Feb 17, 2021 6:45:17 GMT -8
So, has anyone contacted PWRS and let them know? Or are you expecting them to read your comments here? Oh, look! Photos went up waaaaaayyyy back on October 19, 2018 of this very car and none of the eagle eyes here caught the problem, and said something to the folks at PWRS when something could have been done but now pile on the bandwagon. Hmmmmm.....
Be forewarned: Not for the faint of heart. Plenty of comments about the roof eaves, the door tracks and details, the doors which stick out too far, the placement of the reporting marks on the car's ends, the seemingly-random choice of CSXT car numbers, the strange choice of PC green....
One forum member was even called "butt hurt" because he raised his concerns about the car!
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Post by stottman on Feb 17, 2021 7:04:19 GMT -8
So, has anyone contacted PWRS and let them know? Or are you expecting them to read your comments here? Oh, look! Photos went up waaaaaayyyy back on October 19, 2018 of this very car and none of the eagle eyes here caught the problem, and said something to the folks at PWRS when something could have been done but now pile on the bandwagon. Hmmmmm..... Isn't that your job? And by job, actual paid position/consultant? Stop blaming the consumer for your or your employers error. We are not your beta tester.
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Post by brammy on Feb 17, 2021 7:59:42 GMT -8
I can forgive a lot. Slight sizing issues, doors not completely correct, lettering off that's hard to tell. Font not exact but close enough.
Typos, though, not so much. Especially blatant ones.
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Post by tom on Feb 17, 2021 9:59:00 GMT -8
So, has anyone contacted PWRS and let them know? Or are you expecting them to read your comments here? Oh, look! Photos went up waaaaaayyyy back on October 19, 2018 of this very car and none of the eagle eyes here caught the problem, and said something to the folks at PWRS when something could have been done but now pile on the bandwagon. Hmmmmm..... PWSR did contact me (via this forum by messaging) and asked me about the revised Penn Central boxcar. I replied right back stating that the PC logo was located too high and not quite correct, the PC narrow slanted numbers were not correct and that the PC Green was not correct (I suggested to buy a bottle of Scalecote PC Green and match that). He did not agree and stated that cars where already in final production.....
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Post by riogrande on Feb 17, 2021 10:52:13 GMT -8
Apparently this is a case, as my wife's mother use to say: you get what you are given.
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Post by gevohogger on Feb 17, 2021 11:10:11 GMT -8
Apparently this is a case, as my wife's mother use to say: you get what you are given. "You'll get nothing, and like it!!" -Judge Smails, in "Caddyshack"
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Post by 12bridge on Feb 17, 2021 12:20:25 GMT -8
So, has anyone contacted PWRS and let them know? Or are you expecting them to read your comments here? Oh, look! Photos went up waaaaaayyyy back on October 19, 2018 of this very car and none of the eagle eyes here caught the problem, and said something to the folks at PWRS when something could have been done but now pile on the bandwagon. Hmmmmm..... PWSR did contact me (via this forum by messaging) and asked me about the revised Penn Central boxcar. I replied right back stating that the PC logo was located too high and not quite correct, the PC narrow slanted numbers were not correct and that the PC Green was not correct (I suggested to buy a bottle of Scalecote PC Green and match that). He did not agree and stated that cars where already in final production..... It just keeps getting better.
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Post by ras on Feb 17, 2021 14:42:13 GMT -8
PWSR did contact me (via this forum by messaging) and asked me about the revised Penn Central boxcar. I replied right back stating that the PC logo was located too high and not quite correct, the PC narrow slanted numbers were not correct and that the PC Green was not correct (I suggested to buy a bottle of Scalecote PC Green and match that). He did not agree and stated that cars where already in final production..... It just keeps getting better. I had a less-than-productive conversation with this crew, in person, in Amherst back in 2019. I offered help (art reviews, photos, whatever) after seeing some very marginal samples on display, but the offer went nowhere. After further discussion at the show, I didn't get many warm fuzzies that those running the project were open to input. Two years later, seems that significant issues remain, and it doesn't sound like others had luck either. So here we are.... -Rick Selby
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Post by stottman on Feb 17, 2021 15:02:29 GMT -8
It just keeps getting better. I had a less-than-productive conversation with this crew, in person, in Amherst back in 2019. I offered help (art reviews, photos, whatever) after seeing some very marginal samples on display, but the offer went nowhere. After further discussion at the show, I didn't get many warm fuzzies that those running the project were open to input. Two years later, seems that significant issues remain, and it doesn't sound like others had luck either. So here we are.... -Rick Selby WTF over....
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Post by wp8thsub on Feb 17, 2021 16:49:27 GMT -8
I had a less-than-productive conversation with this crew, in person, in Amherst back in 2019. I tried at the National Train Show in Salt Lake City, also in 2019. I was assured PWRS was aware of all issues and they would be addressed. We can see now that didn't happen.
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PWRS 5077?
Feb 17, 2021 17:00:51 GMT -8
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Post by csxt8400 on Feb 17, 2021 17:00:51 GMT -8
Adding some more visuals. Not exactly hi-def but I'm mobile at the moment. Note roof eave, uncoupling lever poorly rendered, and mount for said lever seemingly made up instead of replicated. More door latch fun.
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Post by ironrails on Feb 17, 2021 17:04:20 GMT -8
So, has anyone contacted PWRS and let them know? Or are you expecting them to read your comments here? Oh, look! Photos went up waaaaaayyyy back on October 19, 2018 of this very car and none of the eagle eyes here caught the problem, and said something to the folks at PWRS when something could have been done but now pile on the bandwagon. Hmmmmm..... PWSR did contact me (via this forum by messaging) and asked me about the revised Penn Central boxcar. I replied right back stating that the PC logo was located too high and not quite correct, the PC narrow slanted numbers were not correct and that the PC Green was not correct (I suggested to buy a bottle of Scalecote PC Green and match that). He did not agree and stated that cars where already in final production..... So, one has to ask, why did they bother to contact you for input if the cars were already in final production......? That's got me shaking my head. Regards, Mike MacLatchy
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Post by edwardsutorik on Feb 17, 2021 17:10:36 GMT -8
I can see, on some of the detail mistakes, that "We just couldn't do that". It would be too expensive if we........... I am not unsympathetic with that, if it is in fact grounded in truth.
I will note that, however, on the PWRS site: there was a whole lot of talk about all the multiple versions to cover "EVERY" possibility........
But with the lettering, it HAD to be done. It would have cost the same to do it right. And it's so BIG. And hard to miss.
I am SO glad I didn't preorder.
Ed
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Post by markfj on Feb 17, 2021 17:48:33 GMT -8
PWSR did contact me (via this forum by messaging) and asked me about the revised Penn Central boxcar. I replied right back stating that the PC logo was located too high and not quite correct, the PC narrow slanted numbers were not correct and that the PC Green was not correct (I suggested to buy a bottle of Scalecote PC Green and match that). He did not agree and stated that cars where already in final production..... So, one has to ask, why did they bother to contact you for input if the cars were already in final production......? That's got me shaking my head. Regards, Mike MacLatchy Mike, I was going to ask the same question! Why bother to get Tom’s input if nothing could be done with the information. It doesn’t make sense. Too bad Gene Fusco closed Rail Yard Models. He probably could have done this car as a resin kit with photo etched parts, custom decals, and detailed instructions and it would have been stellar. Thanks, Mark
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Post by 12bridge on Feb 17, 2021 18:04:12 GMT -8
I still wish somebody or Gene would produce the Rail Yard Models kits again. They were such a joy to build.
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Post by riogrande on Feb 17, 2021 18:09:18 GMT -8
Like Ricky Gervais at the Golden Globes. They don't care. They never did.
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