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Post by unittrain on Oct 4, 2021 12:36:00 GMT -8
I texted him for a link Facebook is down last I checked to see if anything was on there, I don't even really use Facebook.
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Post by unittrain on Oct 4, 2021 12:47:14 GMT -8
I called my daughter she has Tik Tok she didn't see any such thing so I have no idea what he's talking about so it probably false information.
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Post by pboilermaker on Oct 4, 2021 12:53:59 GMT -8
Anybody using Tik Tok? Never been on it however another model railroader said Scale Trains and Rapido are starting to accuse some of the criticism of the models as hate speech! Please say we're not coming to this point in the hobby goodness. Everything is going crazy these days. Interesting take. Is this hate speech?
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Post by thunderhawk on Oct 4, 2021 13:08:25 GMT -8
In looking again at the drawing of the fans and the errors on the model, I’m wondering if the mistakes happened because the person doing the CAD design used something like a Mirror command and simply assumed the long sides of the recessed fan area were identical. The Mirror command is common to most CAD software and allows the designer to sketch only one side of an object and use the command to copy a mirror image of the sketch. It’s a great time saver “if” the object being sketched is identical on both sides. I've done that. In fact I still need to fix one error caused by that. (Springs winding opposite due to being mirrored) That was my first thought when I saw the hatch was a mirror image from side to side. On something like an F40 I can definitely see just doing one half of the unit then mirroring to save a ton of work. One just needs to go back and check the details are actually the same side to side on the prototype.
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Post by fr8kar on Oct 4, 2021 14:12:00 GMT -8
And if you count the rivets... The Rapido has too many along the long sides of the fan area. 14 vs. 13. Why do you rivet counters have to ruin everything?! </sarcasm>
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 4, 2021 14:19:34 GMT -8
In looking again at the drawing of the fans and the errors on the model, I’m wondering if the mistakes happened because the person doing the CAD design used something like a Mirror command and simply assumed the long sides of the recessed fan area were identical. The Mirror command is common to most CAD software and allows the designer to sketch only one side of an object and use the command to copy a mirror image of the sketch. It’s a great time saver “if” the object being sketched is identical on both sides. I've done that. In fact I still need to fix one error caused by that. (Springs winding opposite due to being mirrored) That was my first thought when I saw the hatch was a mirror image from side to side. On something like an F40 I can definitely see just doing one half of the unit then mirroring to save a ton of work. One just needs to go back and check the details are actually the same side to side on the prototype. Yeah, quite true. But don't forget that the "good" side was done wrong, too. So it wasn't just the "flip". Ed
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 16:22:30 GMT -8
I live in cad, specifically Microstation. The error is unfortunate, and makes one question the QA/QC review that was done or not done. What else was missed?
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Post by mdvle on Oct 4, 2021 18:50:14 GMT -8
Anybody using Tik Tok? Never been on it however another model railroader said Scale Trains and Rapido are starting to accuse some of the criticism of the models as hate speech! Please say we're not coming to this point in the hobby goodness. Everything is going crazy these days.
It would really, really, really be nice if people would take the 10 seconds or so it takes to actually check for themselves before repeating baseless, inaccurate, rumours.
It really isn't hard to find their respective TikTok pages.
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Post by mdvle on Oct 4, 2021 18:57:23 GMT -8
In other news, the Rapido website currently lists a Facebook Live session for this week - Thursday, October 7, 2021 - 19:00 to 20:00 EDT
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 4, 2021 19:23:42 GMT -8
Anybody using Tik Tok? Never been on it however another model railroader said Scale Trains and Rapido are starting to accuse some of the criticism of the models as hate speech! Please say we're not coming to this point in the hobby goodness. Everything is going crazy these days. It would really, really, really be nice if people would take the 10 seconds or so it takes to actually check for themselves before repeating baseless, inaccurate, rumours. It really isn't hard to find their respective TikTok pages. So I got "couldn't find this page". For both of them. I did go to Tik Tok, and they have some pretty funny videos. I saw two rabbits boxing. Yup, standing up and trading punches. Well worth the visit. But. When someone makes a statement starting with "Some guy told me.....", I tend to ignore the rest of it. This time I didn't, and saw boxing rabbits! Ed
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Post by gevohogger on Oct 5, 2021 3:45:56 GMT -8
It would really, really, really be nice if people would take the 10 seconds or so it takes to actually check for themselves before repeating baseless, inaccurate, rumours. It really isn't hard to find their respective TikTok pages. So I got "couldn't find this page". For both of them. I did go to Tik Tok, and they have some pretty funny videos. I saw two rabbits boxing. Yup, standing up and trading punches. Well worth the visit. I couldn't find them either. Both links.
Instead of two rabbits boxing, the first video that came up was two guys kissing. Not what I'm into, but whatever.
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Post by ambluco on Oct 5, 2021 4:27:19 GMT -8
You guys are showing your age. The lines are missing the "@" before each name and scaletrains was spelled wrong: www.tiktok.com/PUTTHEATSIGNHERErapidotrains?www.tiktok.com/PUTTHEATSIGNHEREscaletrains?I've re-edited this as it turns out the forum strips the at sign. I too am not a member but on the 404 error page from the initial links, I was able to type rapdiotrains in the search bar and the results came up and then I went to the page. No need for a login.
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Post by gevohogger on Oct 5, 2021 4:44:15 GMT -8
You guys are showing your age. The lines are missing the "@" before each name and scaletrains was spelled wrong: www.tiktok.com/PUTTHEATSIGNHERErapidotrains?www.tiktok.com/PUTTHEATSIGNHEREscaletrains?I've re-edited this as it turns out the forums strips the at sign. I too am not a member but on the 404 error page from the initial links, I was able to type rapdiotrains in the search bar and the results came up and then I went to the page. No need for a login. Dagnabbit, if he's going to schoolmarm us with links, we're going to USE those links. Not our job to fix his spelling errors.
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Post by pboilermaker on Oct 5, 2021 4:54:49 GMT -8
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Post by mdvle on Oct 5, 2021 5:46:37 GMT -8
You guys are showing your age. The lines are missing the "@" before each name and scaletrains was spelled wrong: www.tiktok.com/PUTTHEATSIGNHERErapidotrains?www.tiktok.com/PUTTHEATSIGNHEREscaletrains?I've re-edited this as it turns out the forums strips the at sign. I too am not a member but on the 404 error page from the initial links, I was able to type rapdiotrains in the search bar and the results came up and then I went to the page. No need for a login. Dagnabbit, if he's going to schoolmarm us with links, we're going to USE those links. Not our job to fix his spelling errors.
It's because the software used on this forum is broken - I attempted to fix it using " " to prevent the software from mangling it in the description field, but for whatever reason it then also broke the actual link.
If this forum software actually worked properly then my original links would have worked fine. Moral of the story - try not to post links on this forum.
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Post by fr8kar on Oct 5, 2021 5:47:51 GMT -8
Most social media apps are designed to build a profile about you and monetize that data, but TikTok takes it to another level: From en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok :
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Post by unittrain on Oct 5, 2021 6:22:44 GMT -8
Supposedly there is a big shake up coming to the social media giants, I refuse to use any of them except I have a Facebook account and buisness page but hardly need to use it and I'm one who has done programming also have done CAD professionally and still do computer based recording hence use pro tools and had cakewalk, plus do YouTube. I don't care to use some of the other forms of social media at this point in time I use YouTube for physics and mathematics lectures and of course railroad content and music also philosophy. I'm very knowledgeable with computers having studied computer science in college just because some of us are 50 and over doesn't mean we don't know computers, model railroaders tend to be highly knowledgeable people as the hobby can get as sophisticated as one wants. I think manufacturers are trying to keep growing so they're doing what they need to do to bring people in, hopefully the hobby stays healthy as I enjoy getting new 60s and 70s era stuff hopefully the sales numbers are good and if other platforms help them great.
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Post by peoriaman on Oct 5, 2021 15:24:39 GMT -8
You guys are showing your age. The lines are missing the "@" before each name .... Ah, yes, the random @ sign in the web address! How in the ever-lovin' blue-eyed world is a feller supposed to know that? The average first-time TikTok user that is.
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Post by lvrr325 on Oct 5, 2021 20:33:59 GMT -8
In looking again at the drawing of the fans and the errors on the model, I’m wondering if the mistakes happened because the person doing the CAD design used something like a Mirror command and simply assumed the long sides of the recessed fan area were identical. The Mirror command is common to most CAD software and allows the designer to sketch only one side of an object and use the command to copy a mirror image of the sketch. It’s a great time saver “if” the object being sketched is identical on both sides. I've done that. In fact I still need to fix one error caused by that. (Springs winding opposite due to being mirrored) That was my first thought when I saw the hatch was a mirror image from side to side. On something like an F40 I can definitely see just doing one half of the unit then mirroring to save a ton of work. One just needs to go back and check the details are actually the same side to side on the prototype. This isn't a new error to make, however the examples I can think of offhand from the past are cars tooled by Roco and initially sold by AHM in the 1970s. In fact in an irony one of them is the AHM version of the Flexi-Flo, IIRC it has the same piping on both sides where it should be different. So you're paying high end prices for 50 year old low end quality control here. But, they will sell anyways because I would guess 7 or 8 out of 10 buyers wouldn't know the difference. I know I wouldn't have had I not seen it here.
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Post by jonklein611 on Oct 6, 2021 4:10:10 GMT -8
Agreed, I learn quite a bit from the threads here. Little details that I wouldn't have necessarily caught before.
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Post by astrosa on Oct 6, 2021 6:28:47 GMT -8
But, they will sell anyways because I would guess 7 or 8 out of 10 buyers wouldn't know the difference. I know I wouldn't have had I not seen it here. It will be noticeable if you place the Rapido model next to a Kato Amtrak F40PH. That has errors of its own, but they got the fan hatch correct. If Rapido eventually does the post-1980 Amtrak units with Q-fans, I hope they make this correction.
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Post by pboilermaker on Oct 6, 2021 7:10:47 GMT -8
But, they will sell anyways because I would guess 7 or 8 out of 10 buyers wouldn't know the difference. I know I wouldn't have had I not seen it here. It will be noticeable if you place the Rapido model next to a Kato Amtrak F40PH. That has errors of its own, but they got the fan hatch correct. If Rapido eventually does the post-1980 Amtrak units with Q-fans, I hope they make this correction. Contact Rapido for resolution or just do not purchase the product. Yes, we have been pointing out issues here and that is great for a limited amount of awareness, but that will not fix anything. If it is important enough to spend money on, reach out to the manufacturer when mistakes have been made. It is the only way to hope for a better product. Regarding these issues, I have not yet received a response from Rapido directly. Pretty frustrating when you have 7 units on order and know that there are problems.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 6, 2021 9:09:59 GMT -8
While the Kato does indeed have the right number of rivets on the RIGHT side of the hatch, it has only two on the left side. So, as it stands, Rapido is still ahead on rivet counting.
I'll note that Kato's got the "three little pigs", however.
Ed
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Post by pboilermaker on Oct 6, 2021 10:21:18 GMT -8
While the Kato does indeed have the right number of rivets on the RIGHT side of the hatch, it has only two on the left side. So, as it stands, Rapido is still ahead on rivet counting. I'll note that Kato's got the "three little pigs", however. Ed By that standard... "Look, it has a front AND a back! Where do I send my money?!"
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 6, 2021 11:10:25 GMT -8
A "front" and a "back" are not rivets. As such, they do not count, and are unimportant.
Ed
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Post by mdvle on Oct 7, 2021 12:45:58 GMT -8
New newsletter just sent out.
Replacement sideframes for the F40PH will be offered.
E8 - factory made unauthorized changes to the approved design for the truck sideframes which then went to tooling. Order deadline suspended while they fix the trucks and some other minor issues.
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Post by pboilermaker on Oct 7, 2021 14:27:40 GMT -8
New newsletter just sent out. Replacement sideframes for the F40PH will be offered. E8 - factory made unauthorized changes to the approved design for the truck sideframes which then went to tooling. Order deadline suspended while they fix the trucks and some other minor issues. Bravo, this is welcome news! There is one point of clarification, however: Is there a way to get a message to Jason and the management team to clarify that Rapido had two different open-bearing sideframes produced? The first was a Canadian version with a B style leaf spring and the second was an American version that has an M style spring (correct) and was already used on the "Modernized F40PH/NPCU Cabbage" run. The correct sideframes for these engines would need to be the Modernized F40PH/NPCU Cabbage sideframes and NOT the Canadian sideframes used on the Preproduction models.Hopefully that is clear. I have emailed the same information to Robin at Rapido in the hopes that a secondary error can be avoided. The correct sideframe is from the "Modernized F40PH/NPCU Cabbage" run...note the M style spring, which is different from the Canadian B style spring:
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Post by jonklein611 on Oct 7, 2021 15:02:27 GMT -8
New newsletter just sent out. Replacement sideframes for the F40PH will be offered. E8 - factory made unauthorized changes to the approved design for the truck sideframes which then went to tooling. Order deadline suspended while they fix the trucks and some other minor issues. Bravo, this is welcome news! There is one point of clarification, however: Is there a way to get a message to Jason and the management team to clarify that Rapido had two different open-bearing sideframes produced? The first was a Canadian version with a B style leaf spring and the second was an American version that has an M style spring (correct) and was already used on the "Modernized F40PH/NPCU Cabbage" run. The correct sideframes for these engines would need to be the Modernized F40PH/NPCU Cabbage sideframes and NOT the Canadian sideframes used on the Preproduction models.Hopefully that is clear. I have emailed the same information to Robin at Rapido in the hopes that a secondary error can be avoided. The correct sideframe is from the "Modernized F40PH/NPCU Cabbage" run...note the M style spring, which is different from the Canadian B style spring: When in doubt, ping Jason directly at jshron[at]rapidotrains[d0t]com. I modified it so spam bots don't pick it up, but you get the point.
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Post by pboilermaker on Oct 7, 2021 15:43:51 GMT -8
When in doubt, ping Jason directly at jshron[at]rapidotrains[d0t]com. I modified it so spam bots don't pick it up, but you get the point. Thank you...message sent.
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Post by mdvle on Oct 7, 2021 17:06:09 GMT -8
New newsletter just sent out. Replacement sideframes for the F40PH will be offered. E8 - factory made unauthorized changes to the approved design for the truck sideframes which then went to tooling. Order deadline suspended while they fix the trucks and some other minor issues. Bravo, this is welcome news! There is one point of clarification, however: Is there a way to get a message to Jason and the management team to clarify that Rapido had two different open-bearing sideframes produced? The first was a Canadian version with a B style leaf spring and the second was an American version that has an M style spring (correct) and was already used on the "Modernized F40PH/NPCU Cabbage" run. The correct sideframes for these engines would need to be the Modernized F40PH/NPCU Cabbage sideframes and NOT the Canadian sideframes used on the Preproduction models.Hopefully that is clear. I have emailed the same information to Robin at Rapido in the hopes that a secondary error can be avoided. The correct sideframe is from the "Modernized F40PH/NPCU Cabbage" run...note the M style spring, which is different from the Canadian B style spring:
Covered during the Live stream - it is the Cabbage version (which was shown on the samples) - they have tooled up 3 sideframes so far on the F40 - 1 Canadian and 2 American.
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