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Post by avel on Jan 4, 2022 19:14:25 GMT -8
Got home about an hour ago and saw the ad in RMC.
I'm hoping it's a GP30.
G P 30!, G P 30!
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Post by GP40P-2 on Jan 4, 2022 20:07:21 GMT -8
GP30B
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Post by lars on Jan 5, 2022 6:09:27 GMT -8
Didn’t MTH do a GP35? I wonder if they bought that tooling? I have doubts that we'll see any part of the MTH shell, but I'm curious to see if they will re-use any of the drive if and when they release a GP30/35. |
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Post by cera2254 on Jan 5, 2022 6:33:35 GMT -8
I don’t think that Shane has plans to do much with upgrading the diesel tooling they acquired from MTH per there road trip presentation. I would imagine this is an all new tooling model and not a rehashed MTH unit. I certainly think it is a GP30 but who knows.
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Post by gevohogger on Jan 5, 2022 6:38:32 GMT -8
We're LONG overdue for a good model of a Rock Island TA.
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Post by middledivision on Jan 5, 2022 8:13:31 GMT -8
I'm all in for a new four axle EMD GP-7 or 35, even a C-424-425 Rivet Counter. That said, I'm all in for more EL Units but they gotta get the colors right. If so, I'll buy a bunch if they just get it right. If it's a 30, I'm ok with a few PC, RDG & maybe a B&O. They can do a GP35 with the 30 frame, something I am hoping for. I also hope that the MTH 35 is tucked far away in the warehouse out of sight and mind! |
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Post by NS4122 on Jan 5, 2022 8:13:55 GMT -8
I think it's a safe bet that it is NOT a rehashed MTH model. In this video from 2 years ago, Shane mentions that they were working on the 2022 Springfield announcement: I don’t think that Shane has plans to do much with upgrading the diesel tooling they acquired from MTH per there road trip presentation. I would imagine this is an all new tooling model and not a rehashed MTH unit. I certainly think it is a GP30 but who knows. |
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Post by fishbelly on Jan 5, 2022 9:07:21 GMT -8
There is no debate that ST can tool a nice state of the art model. So anything they do, the plastic is going to look good. A state of the art GP30 or 35 would be cool. My biggest concern about any newly offered model from any manufacturer is the handrails. Will they stand up straight and will they run straight. Or are they like the Tacoma Narrows Bridge when it collapsed. Or maybe they run straight, but have the tidal wave effect of a severe inward lean. Also I have not seen any manufacturer tool blomberg trucks that look as nice as the Athearn or Kato version. In this modelers world, Kato has the best looking version. Depth, detail and the weighty look to them is spot on.
I would have no issue replacing all my P2K GP30's and Kato GP35's on my shelf with a new ST version if above concerns were met. Will they offer undecorated models. It would be nice. Although I am not expecting it to happen. Boils down to my $$$ staying in my pocket. Time will tell though and we will all see what it is on January 29th. My guess is what most of you have mentioned. The GP30.
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Post by TBird1958 on Jan 5, 2022 9:49:39 GMT -8
There is no debate that ST can tool a nice state of the art model. So anything they do, the plastic is going to look good. A state of the art GP30 or 35 would be cool. My biggest concern about any newly offered model from any manufacturer is the handrails. Will they stand up straight and will they run straight. Or are they like the Tacoma Narrows Bridge when it collapsed. Or maybe they run straight, but have the tidal wave effect of a severe inward lean. Also I have not seen any manufacturer tool blomberg trucks that look as nice as the Athearn or Kato version. In this modelers world, Kato has the best looking version. Depth, detail and the weighty look to them is spot on. I would have no issue replacing all my P2K GP30's and Kato GP35's on my shelf with a new ST version if above concerns were met. Will they offer undecorated models. It would be nice. Although I am not expecting it to happen. Boils down to my $$$ staying in my pocket. Time will tell though and we will all see what it is on January 29th. My guess is what most of you have mentioned. The GP30. Ah, the Tacoma Narrows.....Been over that bridge many times!  ST won't get the handrails as nice as P2K (at least the black ones), they've already proven that they can't on their previous EMD's. While I'd certainly bite on an ST '30 should they actually do one, I'm hanging on to my rebuilt P2K and Kato units, I like them, I built them, they're already worked into my roster and several engine consists, they're paid for, and at my age (63) springing for a lot of new locos becomes something to at least question in terms of dollars spent vs. return on fun. |
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Post by nsc39d8 on Jan 5, 2022 9:54:20 GMT -8
I will admit I do like the GP30 and hope one comes to market for those that need them. For now I will stay with my P2K high hoods until I see the new model. So far Athearn and Scaletrains have yet to deliver a correct high hooded loco. Both suffer from the same problem of the cab sitting to high where it should be a flat surface. While the Rapido CAD drawing shows it as smooth I will have to wait and see a preproduction model. I will say so far all the Scaletrains locos I own run smooth just like a Kato and that includes SD40-2's, Dash 9's, ET44's and C39-8's.
I am interested in the Aurora C36-7 as well as one version shown is NS.
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Post by riogrande on Jan 5, 2022 10:00:05 GMT -8
While I'd certainly bite on an ST '30 should they actually do one, I'm hanging on to my rebuilt P2K and Kato units, I like them, I built them, they're already worked into my roster and several engine consists, they're paid for, and at my age (63) springing for a lot of new locos becomes something to at least question in terms of dollars spent vs. return on fun. All good points! Your not much older than me so I get-it. |
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Post by rockfan on Jan 5, 2022 11:02:48 GMT -8
Gonna stay with the EMC FT.
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Post by csx3305 on Jan 5, 2022 11:56:39 GMT -8
There is no debate that ST can tool a nice state of the art model. So anything they do, the plastic is going to look good. A state of the art GP30 or 35 would be cool. My biggest concern about any newly offered model from any manufacturer is the handrails. Will they stand up straight and will they run straight. Or are they like the Tacoma Narrows Bridge when it collapsed. Or maybe they run straight, but have the tidal wave effect of a severe inward lean. Also I have not seen any manufacturer tool blomberg trucks that look as nice as the Athearn or Kato version. In this modelers world, Kato has the best looking version. Depth, detail and the weighty look to them is spot on. I would have no issue replacing all my P2K GP30's and Kato GP35's on my shelf with a new ST version if above concerns were met. Will they offer undecorated models. It would be nice. Although I am not expecting it to happen. Boils down to my $$$ staying in my pocket. Time will tell though and we will all see what it is on January 29th. My guess is what most of you have mentioned. The GP30. Ah, the Tacoma Narrows.....Been over that bridge many times! ST won't get the handrails as nice as P2K (at least the black ones), they've already proven that they can't on their previous EMD's. While I'd certainly bite on an ST '30 should they actually do one, I'm hanging on to my rebuilt P2K and Kato units, I like them, I built them, they're already worked into my roster and several engine consists, they're paid for, and at my age (63) springing for a lot of new locos becomes something to at least question in terms of dollars spent vs. return on fun. Be careful, this sort of declaration is liable to draw major multi-paragraph spew and conspiracy theory from somebody who doesn’t post here regularly and is excited about the announcement. |
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Post by dti406 on Jan 5, 2022 13:54:30 GMT -8
If Scaletrains were to produce a GP35 would they do the version with trade in AAR trucks? That would entail a longer truck size than the Bloomberg resulting in a shorter fuel tank and would all that be planned into the design of said GP35.
Rick Jesionowski
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Post by tillamook on Jan 5, 2022 13:57:17 GMT -8
And, going along with that, would they do the modular shell in a way that they'd also be able to do CSX slugs?
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 5, 2022 14:09:50 GMT -8
As pointed out in another thread, clearly the one guys have been waiting 10+ years for is the GP16.
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Post by JohnJ on Jan 5, 2022 16:06:53 GMT -8
If Scaletrains were to produce a GP35 would they do the version with trade in AAR trucks? That would entail a longer truck size than the Bloomberg resulting in a shorter fuel tank and would all that be planned into the design of said GP35. Rick Jesionowski The same thing could be asked of the GP30, as some of those also rode on AAR trucks, notably the GM&O examples. |
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Post by fishbelly on Jan 5, 2022 16:22:20 GMT -8
If Scaletrains were to produce a GP35 would they do the version with trade in AAR trucks? That would entail a longer truck size than the Bloomberg resulting in a shorter fuel tank and would all that be planned into the design of said GP35. Rick Jesionowski The same thing could be asked of the GP30, as some of those also rode on AAR trucks, notably the GM&O examples. I think it would be safe to say that if ST KNOWs about the fuel tank being 9" shorter on each end, then ST would most likely produce that tank. And I think if ST were to do that version that they would tool the correct truck wheel base for the AAR B truck. I would imagine that would be a safe bet. As far as how nice the trucks would look. Well that is the gamble. Again, Kato wins in this category even though the brake cylinders are molded on. The side frames and spring pack are awesome looking on the Kato RS2 truck. A bit of work to remove the cast on brake cylinders. Worth it though in the end for a killer looking AAR B truck. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 16:38:11 GMT -8
The Four axle I've been waiting for? GE B23-7.
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Post by slowfreight on Jan 5, 2022 16:54:08 GMT -8
I'm done waiting.  |
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Post by cera2254 on Jan 5, 2022 18:48:26 GMT -8
Slowfreight, you’ve ensured that the new Scaletrains unit is a GP30.
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Post by jbilbrey on Jan 5, 2022 21:41:06 GMT -8
I will be happy with a GP30 if ST chooses to release some L&N schemes other than the as-delivered scheme the P2K only released their model decorated for. I would love to see a later simplified grey-and-yellow, Family Lines, and even Seaboard System GP30. Ditto for the GP35. At least Athearn did do a release of the Family Lines GP35 but using the RPP shell. That's more than I can say about Walthers with their Phase 2 GP35 (L&N got a few of the C&EI units by way of MoPac).
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 6, 2022 1:11:31 GMT -8
The Four axle I've been waiting for? GE B23-7. Oh, then you're in luck, Atlas has a run on the water right now; under normal circumstances they would be here around Feb. 1, will have to see what port delays do to that. |
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Post by oakway on Jan 6, 2022 2:02:26 GMT -8
Fairly sure the Atlas B23-7 is NOT what he is looking for<grin>
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 6, 2022 3:42:49 GMT -8
Well, there is a Bachmann one too.... lol
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Post by markfj on Jan 6, 2022 5:25:25 GMT -8
If it is the GP30, that will certainly put the proverbial kibosh to any excitement over Rapido’s GP38 announcement. However, I won’t be running to dump my P2K GP30s just yet. The P2K shell is such a high benchmark that ST will really have to get the tooling as close to perfect as possible. I’m sure the ST model will have great underframe detail including the signature “fishbelly” frame. That’s a big selling point for me considering that even with a P2K/Kato hybrid GP30 I would still need to replicate the frame to have a more accurate model.
Thanks, Mark J.
Reading, PA
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Post by fishbelly on Jan 6, 2022 5:59:34 GMT -8
There are two fails on the P2K GP30.
1. Shallow steps with the stepped inside pilot plate.
2. Crinkly warped and wavy handrails.
I will always advocate on slightly oversized handrails to make them stand up straight and run straight.
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Post by cera2254 on Jan 6, 2022 6:08:35 GMT -8
The P2K GP30 is good, but not great. Lacks most of the road specific details, the plastic grabs left a lot to be desired, and the lack of any real undertake details really means the ST version will be a winner no doubt. I’m hoping too that it will have the thinner draft gear box as well.
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Post by slowfreight on Jan 6, 2022 6:09:19 GMT -8
It really didn't take much work to add etched steps to my SOO GP30 and fix the problem. Each one I build is an improvement over previous efforts.
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Post by trainguy99 on Jan 6, 2022 13:59:13 GMT -8
The Walthers Proto GP30 got metal grabs a while back, and they have released it and the GP35 with AAR trucks.
As far as handrails, I'm staying clear of that debate.
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