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Post by csx3305 on Jan 8, 2022 14:23:42 GMT -8
If I were going to wager, I’d be looking at whatever four-axles were common around LA and West Colton in the 80s and 90’s, since that seems to be a key factor in the SD38-2’s getting made. No idea if that includes the Cotton Belt Gp30’s, I recall reading they spent a lot of time in storage during those years. Is that because one of the principle owners is an SP fan? (Paul). I'm not sure if the GP30 will fall into Paul Ellis time frame of interest, maybe. “Tell him what he’s won, Johnny!” |
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Post by oakway on Jan 8, 2022 14:38:11 GMT -8
Paul would probably vote for rivet counter GP60’s in SP and DRGW. Then there are the GP60 demo’s. Oh my.
Proto 2000 units are ok, fox valley models were a total miss. Maybe there’s no meat left on the bone for a high quality GP60.
John
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Post by packer on Jan 8, 2022 15:43:10 GMT -8
The Mopac SD40-2c would also require new tooling. I agree with Brian that the non-dynamic SD40-2 would be a natural choice. I recommended to Scale Trains the 3164-3215 series which has not been produced before. Of course, as you know, MoPac did have dynamic brake equipped SD40-2s, so that’s not what’s holding them back from doing their model up in MP blue. Curious what new tooling they’d need for the MP SD40-2C? I’d grab one or two to use as pool power. (Unsure what DRGW pool I could use, tunnels or SD45s?) |
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Post by riogrande on Jan 8, 2022 15:43:28 GMT -8
Paul would probably vote for rivet counter GP60’s in SP and DRGW. Then there are the GP60 demo’s. Oh my. Proto 2000 units are ok, fox valley models were a total miss. Maybe there’s no meat left on the bone for a high quality GP60. John Maybe. Ok, to be fair, I didn't know SP had so few GP30's. My interest in the SP has been limited to what I saw in the 70's and 80's in northern California which consisted of GP9's, SD9's, tunnel motors, SD45's and SD40's. |
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Post by gevohogger on Jan 8, 2022 16:08:09 GMT -8
Paul would probably vote for rivet counter GP60’s in SP and DRGW. Then there are the GP60 demo’s. Oh my. Proto 2000 units are ok, fox valley models were a total miss. Maybe there’s no meat left on the bone for a high quality GP60. John Maybe. Ok, to be fair, I didn't know SP had so few GP30's. My interest in the SP has been limited to what I saw in the 70's and 80's in northern California which consisted of GP9's, SD9's, tunnel motors, SD45's and SD40's. Cotton Belt had them too. More than SP, but not that many more. |
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Post by 690 on Jan 8, 2022 16:57:38 GMT -8
Springfield announcement - NYC territory - GP30/GP35 Or GP40s. |
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Post by elsdp45 on Jan 8, 2022 17:51:29 GMT -8
How about a DD35A? It has four axles at both ends.  |
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Post by NCC42768 on Jan 8, 2022 22:01:47 GMT -8
Paul would probably vote for rivet counter GP60’s in SP and DRGW. Then there are the GP60 demo’s. Oh my. Proto 2000 units are ok, fox valley models were a total miss. Maybe there’s no meat left on the bone for a high quality GP60. John New tool GP60's? I'd buy SP, DRGW, UP, NS, and maybe BNSF wedge. |
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Post by snootie3257 on Jan 9, 2022 6:34:52 GMT -8
I'll have to check but I thought RI's SD40-2's went to UP. Six of the former Rock Island SD40-2s are on the Wisconsin and Southern. They came in blue EMD lease paint. Steve |
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Post by rockfan on Jan 9, 2022 8:26:29 GMT -8
Just checked, RI SD40-2's went back to the leasing company then all 10 sold to ICG.
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Post by grabirons on Jan 9, 2022 12:13:02 GMT -8
I know what it is, I'm calling it right now, it's going to be that new four axle gevo that everyone's going to need, but only in five roadnames to start and three of those roads are on the east coast, then maybe another four road names next year.
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Post by mdvle on Jan 9, 2022 15:10:16 GMT -8
I know what it is, I'm calling it right now, it's going to be that new four axle gevo that everyone's going to need,
That actually is an interesting thought.
Yes, it seems very unlikely that the real railroads are suddenly going to ask for some four axle modern locos.
But would an authentic looking foobie of a 4 axle gevo sell? Shorter loco that is more layout friendly, either allowing for a single engine branch service or allowing say 3 units instead of 2 longer 6-axle units might be interesting.
I don't expect anyone to actually spend the money tooling it.
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Post by gevohogger on Jan 9, 2022 16:00:23 GMT -8
I know what it is, I'm calling it right now, it's going to be that new four axle gevo that everyone's going to need,
That actually is an interesting thought.
Yes, it seems very unlikely that the real railroads are suddenly going to ask for some four axle modern locos.
But would an authentic looking foobie of a 4 axle gevo sell?
"Authentic looking" in the same way that tinplate O27 stuff is authentic looking perhaps... |
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Post by gevohogger on Jan 9, 2022 16:37:13 GMT -8
I've found it! It's Santa Fe, and it's a four-axle....
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Post by crblue on Jan 11, 2022 8:08:49 GMT -8
That actually is an interesting thought.
Yes, it seems very unlikely that the real railroads are suddenly going to ask for some four axle modern locos.
But would an authentic looking foobie of a 4 axle gevo sell?
"Authentic looking" in the same way that tinplate O27 stuff is authentic looking perhaps... It has a charm all of its own, in the same way that the R1 14" radius track in Europe has a charm all of its own. It just doesn't charm the members of this form, at all. It's similar to the chibi trains that are popular in Japan, too, where I think it would sell if the market were designed differently. But since it's not, rather than buy some foobie GEVOs, most people can substitute with GP40's or something. |
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Post by nstophat on Jan 11, 2022 8:44:38 GMT -8
TVRM - Southern #2594 - Benton, TN to TVRM - ~38 miles. Just guessing....
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Post by csx3305 on Jan 11, 2022 8:57:48 GMT -8
TVRM - Southern #2594 - Benton, TN to TVRM - ~38 miles. Just guessing.... I proposed that as a theory a while back and PE shot back with “yeah but the research department is in Southern California” |
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Post by pboilermaker on Jan 11, 2022 11:32:24 GMT -8
TVRM - Southern #2594 - Benton, TN to TVRM - ~38 miles. Just guessing.... I proposed that as a theory a while back and PE shot back with “yeah but the research department is in Southern California” Well, they managed to make their outstanding C39-8 series based on Pennsylvania Northeastern (Philly area) prototype research. |
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Post by riogrande on Jan 11, 2022 11:53:53 GMT -8
PE still lives in southern California IIRC. Perhaps didn't want to move to Tennessee but the cost of living aught to be a heck of a lot lower I'd think.
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Post by mdvle on Jan 11, 2022 17:11:05 GMT -8
PE still lives in southern California IIRC. Perhaps didn't want to move to Tennessee but the cost of living aught to be a heck of a lot lower I'd think.
All irrelevant though if family/spouse's job/other factors dictate no move.
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Post by riogrande on Jan 11, 2022 17:30:15 GMT -8
PE still lives in southern California IIRC. Perhaps didn't want to move to Tennessee but the cost of living aught to be a heck of a lot lower I'd think. All irrelevant though if family/spouse's job/other factors dictate no move.
We may never know. |
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Post by jonklein611 on Jan 14, 2022 10:39:00 GMT -8
P42?
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Post by cemr5396 on Jan 14, 2022 12:16:00 GMT -8
yeah, because we need four different models of P42s. *rolls eyes* |
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Post by sd80mac on Jan 14, 2022 12:17:20 GMT -8
Hearing lots of GP38/GP38-2 rumors.
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Post by cemr5396 on Jan 14, 2022 12:44:21 GMT -8
Hearing lots of GP38/GP38-2 rumors. straight GP38s might not be a bad idea, depending on how good (or not) the Rapido turns out. But announcing it so soon after kind of seems like a bad move to me... GP38-2 is a waste of tooling dollars when the Genesis model exists IMO. So many other things they could do that either have never been done, or at least haven't been done well. Unless they are just doing it to stick it to their old bosses/co workers, which again, is pretty petty. |
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Post by gevohogger on Jan 14, 2022 12:50:54 GMT -8
Intermountain's U18B was a big disappointment; maybe they are going to plug that gap.
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Post by jonklein611 on Jan 14, 2022 13:22:08 GMT -8
yeah, because we need four different models of P42s. *rolls eyes* Oops, got my companies mixed up. I thought ST posted some photos of the Auto Train, turns out it was ESU. My mistake. |
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Post by sd80mac on Jan 14, 2022 13:30:51 GMT -8
Hearing lots of GP38/GP38-2 rumors. straight GP38s might not be a bad idea, depending on how good (or not) the Rapido turns out. But announcing it so soon after kind of seems like a bad move to me... GP38-2 is a waste of tooling dollars when the Genesis model exists IMO. So many other things they could do that either have never been done, or at least haven't been done well. Unless they are just doing it to stick it to their old bosses/co workers, which again, is pretty petty. I think either would make good sense for ST. There are more GP38/GP38-2s running around today than almost anything else. You could do a run every month for 10 years and no cover all of the myriad of paint schemes those engines have worn over the last 50+ years. It's a model far more deserving than Athearn's maybe 1 run per year. |
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Post by gevohogger on Jan 14, 2022 13:56:03 GMT -8
straight GP38s might not be a bad idea, depending on how good (or not) the Rapido turns out. But announcing it so soon after kind of seems like a bad move to me... GP38-2 is a waste of tooling dollars when the Genesis model exists IMO. So many other things they could do that either have never been done, or at least haven't been done well. Unless they are just doing it to stick it to their old bosses/co workers, which again, is pretty petty. I think either would make good sense for ST. There are more GP38/GP38-2s running around today than almost anything else. You could do a run every month for 10 years and no cover all of the myriad of paint schemes those engines have worn over the last 50+ years. It's a model far more deserving than Athearn's maybe 1 run per year. Scale Trains could be doing that already with their SD40-2, but they're not. Maybe they just want us to wait for years and years to get our favorite roadnames. |
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Post by lars on Jan 14, 2022 14:00:09 GMT -8
Hearing lots of GP38/GP38-2 rumors. straight GP38s might not be a bad idea, depending on how good (or not) the Rapido turns out. But announcing it so soon after kind of seems like a bad move to me... Isn't that what kind of happened with the PS 4785 hoppers? I think that it was unintentional, though. |
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