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Post by lvrr325 on Aug 8, 2022 6:01:18 GMT -8
I don't understand; the unit had the antenna put on when it was delivered in 1953 and there it stayed until PRR went to modern radios in 1966. PRR went to the plain keystone scheme around 1963 and this engine got repainted with the antenna on. It got renumbered to a PC number in 1967 but went to the LV in untouched PRR paint. It never existed with "Pennsylvania" lettering and no antenna, except perhaps when being delivered.
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Post by ambluco on Aug 8, 2022 7:03:03 GMT -8
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Post by middledivision on Aug 9, 2022 7:32:03 GMT -8
Back on topic, I'm very disappointed with the Rapido PA. No plating on the D&H units, which I knew was coming and the paint does not match the D&H passenger cars from Rapido. Why bother?
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Post by riogrande on Aug 9, 2022 8:31:46 GMT -8
At one point I thought i might get a Rapido D&RGW PA, but I am having my doubts considering the directions things have taken with their products in recent years and it's not a must-have being out of my period of interest anyway. I still have a Proto2000 PA for now.
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Post by Baikal on Aug 9, 2022 9:01:28 GMT -8
At one point I thought i might get a Rapido D&RGW PA, but I am having my doubts considering the directions things have taken with their products in recent years and it's not a must-have being out of my period of interest anyway. I still have a Proto2000 PA for now.
Now there's approx zero percent chance another manufacturer will do "Genesis-quality" PA/Bs.
Please Bowser do the C-415 before Rapido.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 9, 2022 9:18:23 GMT -8
At one point I thought i might get a Rapido D&RGW PA, but I am having my doubts considering the directions things have taken with their products in recent years and it's not a must-have being out of my period of interest anyway. I still have a Proto2000 PA for now. Now there's approx zero percent chance another manufacturer will do "Genesis-quality" PA/Bs. Please Bowser do the C-415 before Rapido.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 9, 2022 14:42:08 GMT -8
Thing is, Walthers has, admittedly slowly, been improving their products. Their new Mainline EMD switcher is, overall, superior to the recent Rapido one, IF you are buying an as-delivered version. My GN NW2 is a great example.
With a Walthers PA, I expect we'd get real chrome plating. And wire grabs.
Ed
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Post by jonklein611 on Aug 11, 2022 15:41:31 GMT -8
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Post by ambluco on Aug 12, 2022 4:46:38 GMT -8
Brake cylinders are at various angles from almost flat to angled with truck sideframe. Guess it depended on who assembled them on what day.
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Post by jonklein611 on Aug 12, 2022 5:05:58 GMT -8
Brake cylinders are at various angles from almost flat to angled with truck sideframe. Guess it depended on who assembled them on what day. I wonder if there's a single point of attachment and the part rotated a bit? Hard to say what's going on until a model is in front of someone. |
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Post by NS4122 on Aug 12, 2022 6:21:12 GMT -8
It appears possible to me that the brake cylinders may be angled due to truck swing clearance issues on the model. Brake cylinders are at various angles from almost flat to angled with truck sideframe. Guess it depended on who assembled them on what day. |
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Post by abm on Aug 12, 2022 9:22:37 GMT -8
Plastic grab irons on the nose and above the windshields still look... not so great. But I didn't expect that to change, it's been a fixture of every cab unit they've done. Then again it didn't stop be from buying a fleet of FL9's, and I've never held Bowser's somewhat-oversized handrails against them, since they're durable and easy to fix. So maybe I should just drop that complaint.
The angled numberboards on the SP models APPEAR to fit better than the angled numberboards on their various EMD F-units (FP7/9, FL9), which has always been a pet-peeve of mine. However the original ALCO-design numberboards are set into the nose kinda funny, with a visible gap at the rear. I realize these are all difficult features mold (I spent 10 years working on-and-off with plastic injection molding and aluminum die casting so I'm pretty familiar with mold design).
Paint looks clean and crisp, lots of complicated striping on a number of those roadnames... hope that holds through production.
Truck issues... I have no opinion on that yet. Looks like more utterly useless/needless underframe/piping detail crammed under there, I wish they would put a little less effort into that stuff which nobody looks at but maybe once, and a little more effort into the stuff you look at constantly.
Still... I'll be in for NH McGinnis and Alpert if/when they get around to doing them.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 12, 2022 13:34:05 GMT -8
Plastic grab irons on the nose and above the windshields still look... not so great. But I didn't expect that to change, it's been a fixture of every cab unit they've done. F40PH Ed |
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Post by abm on Aug 12, 2022 15:19:13 GMT -8
Plastic grab irons on the nose and above the windshields still look... not so great. But I didn't expect that to change, it's been a fixture of every cab unit they've done. F40PH Ed Noted, but I think you knew what I meant, Ed. Among the ranks of the FL9, FP7/9, E8/9, FA's of various flavors, the F40 barely counts. Not to mention that the F40's all have the same grabs, in the same locations, on virtually every model (so far as I can tell). And no eyebrow grabs. And no curved surfaces aside from corner radii. |
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Post by lvrr325 on Aug 17, 2022 10:05:25 GMT -8
These hit the distributor today, so if you preordered yours you should be seeing them in a few days.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 17, 2022 14:12:57 GMT -8
Noted, but I think you knew what I meant, Ed. Among the ranks of the FL9, FP7/9, E8/9, FA's of various flavors, the F40 barely counts. Not to mention that the F40's all have the same grabs, in the same locations, on virtually every model (so far as I can tell). And no eyebrow grabs. And no curved surfaces aside from corner radii. I went with what you said, not what you meant. The F40PH "barely counts", at 475 units 60 FL9's--obviously don't count at all 471 FP7/9's--barely count, also 117 E6's--don't count 510 E7's--count a bit more than the F40PH 496 E8's--count a bit less than the E7's--also barely counting 144 E9's--back down there with the FL9's, though slightly better 297 ALCO PA/B's--pretty good, but not near as good as that ole F40PH. Thus also barely counting By the quantity produced, I would say the F40PH is a long way from barely counting. I hadn't realized how popular the E7's were. Ed |
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Post by bridge2nowhere on Aug 17, 2022 14:44:45 GMT -8
Is the F40PH a cab unit?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 17, 2022 15:43:06 GMT -8
I think it is, if you're dealing with a dichotomy of cab vs hood. Some use a third term: cowl. Thus there would be three versions. This is based on the existence of structural framing in a cab, with none in a cowl. I'm not sure this is a good idea, as a P42 would be a cowl, as would a 100T AGEIR diesel.
These two/three terms really aren't that significant, anyway. What real purpose do they serve?
Ed
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Post by Tom on Aug 17, 2022 17:33:38 GMT -8
Noted, but I think you knew what I meant, Ed. Among the ranks of the FL9, FP7/9, E8/9, FA's of various flavors, the F40 barely counts. Not to mention that the F40's all have the same grabs, in the same locations, on virtually every model (so far as I can tell). And no eyebrow grabs. And no curved surfaces aside from corner radii. Nope. Some do have eyebrow-type grabs in front of the strobes and under the numberboards, which are roughly the same type as drop grabs, many different nose grab types and locations (Amtrak is different from MBTA is different from RTA, etc.) , different steps.. the list goes on.
No radii, though, very "80s" in look (even for a 70s unit).
I've vented enough on the "overlookings" and the E-unit fits the "it's MOST AMAZING and 1000% accuratest EVER!" or "our six hours of videos prove it!" because "you don't need to see production samples and we don't either".
Cannot figure out why the first porthole has such a tremendously thick gasket. Yes, it could be opened, but that gasket looks like it has a black eye. Might have been caught if there was a ...nevermind.
The P2K and later updated WKW model appear decent enough and cost less. Hell, two Pennsy E8As for $399 (DC) vs. one Rap one for $339 (DCC)... huh.
I do wish Walthers hadn't canceled the early HEP E's (Amtrak Phase I.. oooo). I'd be in for a couple of those puppies, but I digress.
Anyone ever swap from the door forward on an older P2K model to get a better windshield area? (still cheaper and probably more accurate.).
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Post by sourwyfan on Aug 17, 2022 20:07:22 GMT -8
Hi Tom, You need to copy your response over on my Feedback on Rapido's Southern Railway E-8" post!  BR, Rahl |
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Post by craigz on Aug 22, 2022 6:46:43 GMT -8
Noted, but I think you knew what I meant, Ed. Among the ranks of the FL9, FP7/9, E8/9, FA's of various flavors, the F40 barely counts. Not to mention that the F40's all have the same grabs, in the same locations, on virtually every model (so far as I can tell). And no eyebrow grabs. And no curved surfaces aside from corner radii. Nope. Some do have eyebrow-type grabs in front of the strobes and under the numberboards, which are roughly the same type as drop grabs, many different nose grab types and locations (Amtrak is different from MBTA is different from RTA, etc.) , different steps.. the list goes on.
No radii, though, very "80s" in look (even for a 70s unit).
I've vented enough on the "overlookings" and the E-unit fits the "it's MOST AMAZING and 1000% accuratest EVER!" or "our six hours of videos prove it!" because "you don't need to see production samples and we don't either".
Cannot figure out why the first porthole has such a tremendously thick gasket. Yes, it could be opened, but that gasket looks like it has a black eye. Might have been caught if there was a ...nevermind.
The P2K and later updated WKW model appear decent enough and cost less. Hell, two Pennsy E8As for $399 (DC) vs. one Rap one for $339 (DCC)... huh.
I do wish Walthers hadn't canceled the early HEP E's (Amtrak Phase I.. oooo). I'd be in for a couple of those puppies, but I digress.
Anyone ever swap from the door forward on an older P2K model to get a better windshield area? (still cheaper and probably more accurate.).
Jim6 lopped the nose off a Stewart F unit and spliced on to a Life Like-era E unit; I think it was an E8. Did it in Model RailroaDING if I remember. Looked much better. |
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Post by schroed2 on Aug 22, 2022 7:14:58 GMT -8
Jim6 lopped the nose off a Stewart F unit and spliced on to a Life Like-era E unit; I think it was an E8. Did it in Model RailroaDING if I remember. Looked much better. possible nose donors that I have tried to my satisfaction so far: Stewart F-units Intermountain F-units the Highliners nose did not fit very well - too accurate ? btw, the LL E7A needs a nose job even more then the LL E8A and there is (for most prototypes) less work regarding the numberboards |
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Post by middledivision on Aug 22, 2022 7:53:59 GMT -8
If anyone gets the LV PA's, I'd like to hear your opinion of the color.
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Post by jonklein611 on Aug 22, 2022 13:18:44 GMT -8
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Aug 22, 2022 13:48:25 GMT -8
The 1970s called and wants its draft gear / coupler box back. With all of the underbody and other eye popping details that can be added to models, the coupler box lags so far behind. I count 3 shades of yellow on the nose of the ATSF unit. Is it due to a lack of primer or part of it is a decal or what? The SP orange on the nose looks well matched however.
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Post by ambluco on Aug 22, 2022 13:57:04 GMT -8
Maybe the door is cast in yellow plastic?
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Post by 12bridge on Aug 22, 2022 16:39:32 GMT -8
I don't care what company it is. That nose paint is unacceptable.
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Post by es80ac on Aug 22, 2022 17:02:06 GMT -8
The 1970s called and wants its draft gear / coupler box back. With all of the underbody and other eye popping details that can be added to models, the coupler box lags so far behind. I count 3 shades of yellow on the nose of the ATSF unit. Is it due to a lack of primer or part of it is a decal or what? The SP orange on the nose looks well matched however. I guess the draft gear box had to be oversized in order to accept Kadee couplers? Maybe Kadee needs to revamp its coupler tail sections going forward, otherwise all the coupler boxes can not be scale sized |
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Post by cera2254 on Aug 22, 2022 17:23:25 GMT -8
Doesn’t kadee make a coupler that fits the scale size boxes, think it was a #78? This is not directed at Rapido specifically, most of the manufacturers aside from Scaletrains that I think provides a very good draft gear, but this is the biggest thing that I feel needs addressed in the design of 21st century models. There is no reason to have draft gear that is twice as wide as it needs to be.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 22, 2022 17:28:01 GMT -8
#78 has been discontinued.
I guess Kadee doesn't think there's a need for it.
Ed
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