Finally the Four Axle you’ve been waiting for…

[grabirons]

Here's hoping for the GP-30, GP-18 or a highly detailed SW-1. From what I've seen from a manufacturer like walthers and there Mainline series is that, either they copy a current car or locomotive that's been out for awhile in a highly detailed format, or someone will copy something from one of there previous outdated offerings ( life like ) or one of walthers' lines and come out with a better, higher quality model that hasn't been offered for maybe a decade (probably wrong) but seems like it. I hope whatever it is, that I can use it because I haven't been interested in any of their modern  or six axle locomotive offerings, although the SDL39 is interesting I may impulse buy one when they come out.

[lvrr325]

Clearly what we're waiting for is a snowplow.

[GP40P-2]

Found it:

Four Axle

[snootie3257]

Haven’t heard what the locomotive is yet but did just order my Tangent Greenville quad door Chessie System cars!

Steve

[slowfreight]

Jan 28, 2022 18:55:28 GMT -8 csx3305 said:

What would be really hilarious is if turns out to be an E unit. With the prototypical four POWERED axles. Bwa-ha-ha.

Well, it could be an ES44C4 at that rate!

[unittrain]

Just ordered a Chessie, Conrail and 2 GT quad doors.

[csx3305]

Jan 29, 2022 6:44:25 GMT -8 slowfreight said:

Jan 28, 2022 18:55:28 GMT -8 csx3305 said:

What would be really hilarious is if turns out to be an E unit. With the prototypical four POWERED axles. Bwa-ha-ha.

Well, it could be an ES44C4 at that rate!

Even funnier, and probably even more likely, given their obsession with contemporary stuff. Can you imagine the uproar if that happened. LOLOL

[slowfreight]

I saw something to the effect that the Amherst shoe jumped the gun on announcing for ST, and it got pulled back right away. Of course, I missed what it was.

[NS4122]

It is the GP30

[nsc39d8]

It is the GP30.

[snootie3257]

Jan 29, 2022 8:08:08 GMT -8 nsc39d8 said:

It is the GP30.

Bingo!
Steve

[brammy]

It's a GP30.

On the display table there is a CSX, CNW, Rio Grande, Pennsy. I think there are UP A & B units.

[packer]

What roads?

[ADK]

www.scaletrains.com/ho-scale/ho-scale-locomotives/rivet-counter-ho-scale-emd-gp30.html

[csx3305]

Hopefully now we can stop hearing about it on every “wish list” thread that comes up. Next stop, EL cabooses.

[sd40x]

Omg yes! Both UP B units also!

[snootie3257]

Jan 29, 2022 8:13:18 GMT -8 csx3305 said:

Hopefully now we can stop hearing about it on every “wish list” thread that comes up. Next stop, EL cabooses.

Yay so we can hear all the complaining about how the colors aren’t right?😁

Steve

[slowfreight]

Well, I have this bad habit of saying 'I don't need that," and when ST's extra decorated shells are put on clearance they always find their way into my stash, almost by magic.

Why not plop an ST shell onto one of my Kato GP35s that was waiting for a P2K shell?

[elfan]

Jan 29, 2022 8:40:09 GMT -8 snootie3257 said:

Jan 29, 2022 8:13:18 GMT -8 csx3305 said:

Hopefully now we can stop hearing about it on every “wish list” thread that comes up. Next stop, EL cabooses.

Yay so we can hear all the complaining about how the colors aren’t right?😁

Steve

   I heard a rumor there were actually two posters on this list that never complained, cajoled, wished, or romanticized about their favorite railroad models…now I know who they are!   LOL

     Tom

[gnfan]

I was hoping for some Great Northern ones. Alas, no. Just like the SD45.

DavidB

[sd40x]

No CB&Q GP30’s either. I need the versions equipped with the standard EMD nose headlights. Next run hopefully.

[gevohogger]

Jan 29, 2022 14:22:31 GMT -8 riogrande said:

Strangely the Rio Grande version is listed as late 80's to late 90's. I'm going to have to figure out what features date the as such and what needs to be done to backdate them to the first 20 years of their operation.

To borrow a quote from Ian Faith (in "Spinal Tap"), I think you're making much too big of a thing about it.  The Scale Trains website says "late 80s - late 90s" but it also says they were built in 1996....  Which we all know not to be true.  Perhaps that whole page was written by an intern who doesn't know a GP30 from a Jeep Wrangler.  In other words, take it with a grain of salt.

[snootie3257]

How long did the Rio Grande GP30s last under UP ownership, which happened in ‘88?

Steve

[riogrande]

Jan 29, 2022 15:08:21 GMT -8 snootie3257 said:

How long did the Rio Grande GP30s last under UP ownership, which happened in ‘88?

Steve

Edit:

UtahRails has a lot of info on the D&RGW GP30's.

www.utahrails.net/drgw/rg-diesels-2.php

Roster Listing
EMD GP30 -- 28 units
2250 horsepower; B-B trucks; operating weight: (see general notes, below)

Road
Number Builder
Date Builder
Number Date
Retired Notes
3001 Apr 1962 27135 Jul 1994 1
3002 Apr 1962 27136 30 Jul 1999 2
3003 Apr 1962 27137 30 Jul 1999 3
3004 Apr 1962 27138 26 Sep 1995 4
3005 Apr 1962 27139 Dec 1970 5
3006 Apr 1962 27140 23 Dec 1998 6
3007 Apr 1962 27141 28 Apr 1997 7
3008 May 1962 27142 28 Apr 1997 8
3009 May 1962 27143 Jan 1975 9
3010 May 1962 27144 Mar 1992 10
3011 May 1962 27222 Dec 1994 11
3012 May 1962 27223 Jan 1972 12
3013 May 1962 27224 Dec 1993 13
3014 Jan 1963 28043 26 Sep 1995 14
3015 Feb 1963 28044 31 May 1999 15
3016 Feb 1963 28045 30 May 1995 16
3017 Feb 1963 28046 Dec 1993 17
3018 Feb 1963 28047 7 May 1996 18
3019 Feb 1963 28048 Dec 1993 19
3020 Feb 1963 28049 May 1995 20
3021 Feb 1963 28050 29 Nov 1995 21
3022 Feb 1963 28051 Jan 1995 22
3023 Feb 1963 28052 May 1995 23
3024 Feb 1963 28053 May 1995 24
3025 Feb 1963 28054 Aug 1982 25
3026 Feb 1963 28055 Jul 1994 26
3027 Feb 1963 28056 Dec 1993 27
3028 Feb 1963 28057 Dec 1993 28
General Notes:

a. D&RGW Class DE BB 61
b. D&RGW 3001-3028 all delivered without snowplows; added to all units in late 1964.
c. D&RGW 3001-3013 had 257,500 pounds operating weight
d. D&RGW 3014-3028 had 260,700 pounds operating weight
e. D&RGW 3001, 3002, 3014, and 3027 (four units) were painted with new image large letters; 3014 and 3027 were completed in October 1969.
f. D&RGW 3003 was wrecked on 28 August 1968 at MP 635 (Nolan Tunnel) in Price Rive Canyon, Utah; repaired by EMD and returned to service in May 1969.
g. D&RGW 3002, 3005, and 3023 (along with GP35 3048) were wrecked on 22 September 1970 at Swan (Brown Canyon), Colorado; D&RGW 3023 was repaired by EMD and returned to service; D&RGW 3002 was repaired by D&RGW at Denver, Colo, completed during November 1970, with the new image large lettering; D&RGW 3005 was a total loss due to much of the carbody and equipment above the frame being sheared off by an adjacent covered hopper during the wreck.
h. D&RGW 3014 and 3027 were wrecked on 25 December 1968 at Crater, Colorado; repaired by EMD in May to September 1969 and returned to service in October 1969, with the new image large lettering.
i. D&RGW 3014 was leased to Kennecott Copper Corporation, Utah Mines Division, as KCC from September 1973 to March 1974.
j. D&RGW 3020, 3021, 3022, 3027 (four units) were leased, along with eight UP GP30s and two AT&SF U25Bs, to Kennecott Copper Corporation (KCC), beginning in May 1973; D&RGW 3020 and 3027 were returned in March 1977; 3021 and 3022 were returned in February 1979. The units were used in waste train service in the Utah Mines Division Bingham Canyon Mine near Salt Lake City, Utah; assigned vacant Kennecott 700-series number slots (KCC 704, 722, 726, 701), numbered among Kennecott's 85-ton electric locomotives.
k. D&RGW 3020-3028 (nine units) were modified in 1972 to operate as trailing units only, by removal of cab seats, toilets and radios.
l. D&RGW 3011, along with D&RGW GP35 3032, was painted as "Sierra Pacific" (black with orange lettering) for use in the filming of the 1973 made-for-TV movie "Runaway!"; D&RGW GP40 3081 was also painted as "Sierra Pacific" (silver with red lettering).
m. Six units (D&RGW 3002, 3003, 3006, 3007, 3008, and 3015) to UP at merger in September 1996.
n. D&RGW 3001-3014 (14 units) were built under EMD order number 7619.
o. D&RGW 3015-3028 (14 units) were built under EMD order number 7640.
Notes:

1. D&RGW 3001 was sold to OmniTRAX, 15 July 1994; to Kansas Southwestern 3001, Wichita, Kansas; to Hudson Bay Ry. (HBRY) 2508 in May 1997.
2. D&RGW 3002 was moved to Metro East Industries, East St. Louis, Illinois, in January 2001; sold for scrap to Cycle Systems, Roanoke, Virginia, February 2001.
3. D&RGW 3003 was removed from service in May 1998; stored at Denver, Colorado, until sold by UP for scrap to Cycle Systems, Roanoke, Virginia, in March 2001.
4. D&RGW 3004 was sold to Progress Rail Services, Albertville, Alabama, 26 September 1995; to National Railway Equipment (NREX) in January 1996; to Cimarron Valley Railroad 3004 in February 1996.
5. D&RGW 3005 was wrecked on 22 September 1970 at Swan (Brown Canyon), Colorado; wreck was the result of a covered hopper riding up and over the unit, destroying the cab and short hood; the frame on its own trucks, and the destroyed carbody in a separate gondola, were moved to Salida, and were sold for scrap to Colorado Fuel & Iron, Pueblo, Colorado on 2 May 1971.
6. D&RGW 3006 was sold by UP to a private individual in mid 1999; stored at Denver, Colorado, as of May 2002; stored at the former D&RGW Burnham yard until February 17, 2018; moved for donation (along with D&RGW caboose 01447) to the Forney Museum of Transportation, Denver, Colorado.
7. D&RGW 3007 was sold by UP to National Railway Equipment (NREX), 28 April 1997; stored at NRE at Silvis, Illinois, during May 2002; still there on December 22, 2003, still painted D&RGW. (Update from David Baer via email dated December 23, 2010, also stating that NREX 3007 was originally B&O 6904 instead of D&RGW 3007)
8. D&RGW 3008 was sold by UP to National Railway Equipment (NREX), 28 April 1997; stored at NRE at Silvis, Illinois, during May 2002.
9. D&RGW 3009 was wrecked on 21 September 1974 at Brendel, Utah; traded to EMD on GP40s 3116-3127; unit not movable, frame sold for scrap to Barter Machinery & Supply Company, Denver, Colo, 25 November 1974; salvageable components shipped to EMD.
10. D&RGW 3010 was wrecked on 30 September 1991 at Cliff, Colorado; sold for scrap to Iron & Metals Company, 16 March 1992.
11. D&RGW 3011 was sold to OmniTRAX, 11 February 1995; stored by OmniTRAX at Wichita, Kansas, during mid 2000; moved to OmniTRAX at Loveland, Colorado during 2001; donated to Colorado Railroad Museum, Golden, Colorado, in January 2002.
12. D&RGW 3012 was wrecked on 10 June 1971 at Cedarwood, Colorado; scrapped.
13. D&RGW 3013 was sold to OmniTRAX in August 1995.
14. D&RGW 3014 was sold to Progress Rail Services, Albertville, Alabama, 26 September 1995; to National Railway Equipment (NREX) in January 1996; to Cimarron Valley Railroad 3014 in February 1996; sold to Klarr Locomotive Industries LLC (KLIX) on or about April 12, 2018; leased to Broken Arrow at Flux, Utah; moved to Utah beginning mid April 2018, arrived at Flux on May 10, 2018.
15. D&RGW 3015 was sold by UP to Boise Locomotive Company, Boise, Idaho, November 1999; still there in August 2007; scrapped at Boise during September 2007 (frame gone, cab-only by late December 2007) (2007 update from Jody Moore).
16. D&RGW 3016 was sold to Progress Rail Services, Albertville, Alabama, 29 November 1995; to Hartwell Railroad 3016 in July 1996; sold to RailServe (RSSX) in October 2012 for use as a core unit for a Railserve LEAF Genset locomotive.
17. D&RGW 3017 was sold to Progress Rail Services, Albertville, Alabama, 16 April 1996; to Metro East Industries, East St. Louis, Illinois, in December 1996
18. D&RGW 3018 was sold by UP to Metro East Industries, St. Louis, Illinois, in 1997; to Larry's Truck & Electric, Niles, Ohio, before February 1998; to Acadiana Railway (AKDN) 3018, Opelousas, La., in December 1998.
19. D&RGW 3019 was sold to OmniTRAX in 1995.
20. D&RGW 3020 was sold to Midwest Metallics in May 1995; to National Railway Equipment (NREX) in January 1996; to Cimarron Valley Railroad 3020 in February 1996; out of service after a wreck on June 17, 2003; insurance write-off; repaired and returned to service on June 17, 2009 as CVR 20, six years after 2003 wreck, all work done in-house by CVRR shop crew.
21. D&RGW 3021 was sold to Progress Rail Services, Albertville, Alabama, 29 November 1995; to Hartwell Railroad 3021 in July 1996; sold to RailServe (RSSX) in October 2012 for use as a core unit for a Railserve LEAF Genset locomotive.
22. D&RGW 3022 was sold to Progress Rail Services, Albertville, Alabama, 8 February 1995.
23. D&RGW 3023 was sold to Progress Rail Services, Albertville, Alabama, 26 September 1995; to National Railway Equipment (NREX) in January 1996; to Cimarron Valley Railroad 3023 in February 1996; out of service after a wreck on June 17, 2003; repaired and returned to service.
24. D&RGW 3024 was sold to Progress Rail Services, Albertville, Alabama, 26 September 1995; to National Railway Equipment (NREX) in January 1996; to Cimarron Valley Railroad 3024 in February 1996; out of service after a wreck on June 17, 2003; repaired and returned to service.
25. D&RGW 3025 was wrecked on 7 August 1982 at Parshall (Byers Canyon), Colorado; traded to EMD along with wrecked GP40 3058 on GP40-2s 3129 and 3130.
26. D&RGW 3026 was sold to OmniTRAX, 15 July 1994; ihn service as OMLX 3026 on Central Kansas Railway at Salina, Kansas; removed from service at Salina on November 11, 2000; stored by OmniTRAX at Wichita, Kansas; moved to OmniTRAX at Loveland, Colorado during 2001; to OMLX 3026; to WRIX 3026 by March 2005, with WRIX on cab with "Rio Grande" still on the long hood; moved to Western Rail at Airway Heights, Washington, in March 2005, still there in July 2010; scrapped in 2012.
27. D&RGW 3027 was sold to OmniTRAX in February 1995.
28. D&RGW 3028 was sold to OmniTRAX in February 1995; stored by OmniTRAX at Wichita, Kansas, during mid 2000; moved to OmniTRAX at Loveland, Colorado during 2001; to OMLX 3028; to WRIX 3028 by March 2005, with WRIX on cab with "Rio Grande" still on the long hood; moved to Western Rail at Airway Heights, Washington, in March 2005; stored on ground at Airway Heights, without trucks and parts removed, August 2009.

[bridge2nowhere]

Jan 29, 2022 15:08:21 GMT -8 snootie3257 said:

How long did the Rio Grande GP30s last under UP ownership, which happened in ‘88?

Steve

DRGW bought SP in 1988, but operations weren't merged until 1989. UP didn't come into the picture until 1996. Many lasted into the mid 90's, and there were still a few in operation after the UP merger, but they didn't last long

I saw a meet between 2 DRGW GP30's and a BN GP30 (GP39) and SD9 in late 1996. Thought it was neat at that late date.

[slowfreight]

Jan 29, 2022 16:30:33 GMT -8 bridge2nowhere said:

Jan 29, 2022 15:08:21 GMT -8 snootie3257 said:

How long did the Rio Grande GP30s last under UP ownership, which happened in ‘88?

Steve

DRGW bought SP in 1988, but operations weren't merged until 1989. UP didn't come into the picture until 1996. Many lasted into the mid 90's, and there were still a few in operation after the UP merger, but they didn't last long

I saw a meet between 2 DRGW GP30's and a BN GP30 (GP39) and SD9 in late 1996. Thought it was neat at that late date.

And your camera was where?

[bridge2nowhere]

Jan 29, 2022 17:10:28 GMT -8 slowfreight said:

And your camera was where?

Probably at home unfortunately. Wouldn't have been a good shot anyway from rush hour traffic.

[ScaleTrains.com]

Jan 29, 2022 14:22:31 GMT -8 riogrande said:

Strangely the Rio Grande version is listed as late 80's to late 90's. I'm going to have to figure out what features date the as such and what needs to be done to backdate them to the first 20 years of their operation.

There are actually 60s and 70s versions. The smaller lettering is supposed to represent that timeframe. There's a typo on our website and we're aware of it.

[riogrande]

Jan 30, 2022 7:09:00 GMT -8 ScaleTrains.com said:

Jan 29, 2022 14:22:31 GMT -8 riogrande said:

Strangely the Rio Grande version is listed as late 80's to late 90's. I'm going to have to figure out what features date the as such and what needs to be done to backdate them to the first 20 years of their operation.

There are actually 60s and 70s versions. The smaller lettering is supposed to represent that timeframe. There's a typo on our website and we're aware of it.

Thanks Shane for the info and correction. The graphic for the large herald D&RGW GP30 shows the newer style rerailer. Since they are actually 60's and 70's versions, they would come instead with the earlier (butterfly?) rereailer?


By the way, I am interested in the small herald version too and am wondering if it would be possible to get a couple of early style plows and rerailers in effort to backdate a couple of the small herald D&RGW GP30's? I would guess both the plows being made to fit the model would be an easy swap
out?


By the way, the build date was listed in the details on ST website as 1996, but from Don Stracks UtahRails.net site, the build year is 1963.

Thanks!

[TBird1958]

Jan 30, 2022 7:09:00 GMT -8 ScaleTrains.com said:

Jan 29, 2022 14:22:31 GMT -8 riogrande said:

Strangely the Rio Grande version is listed as late 80's to late 90's. I'm going to have to figure out what features date the as such and what needs to be done to backdate them to the first 20 years of their operation.

There are actually 60s and 70s versions. The smaller lettering is supposed to represent that timeframe. There's a typo on our website and we're aware of it.

If the small herald unit represents a '60s unit the plow is incorrect, D&RGW used several styles early on, the one in your photos represents a plow added late '70s early '80s. The plow shown on your technical art for the large herald wreck rebuilds is correct for both as '60s '70s units. Rerail frogs for '60s and '70s should be the larger "butterfly" like the ones used on the early production SD40T2 units. Small details to be sure, I think the models look great, glad you're doing them, and will be reserving 3-4 shortly