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Post by gevohogger on Jun 24, 2024 7:40:56 GMT -8
Railflyer made those, if I remember right.... Or did they just turn out to be vaporware? |
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Post by jonklein611 on Jun 24, 2024 7:49:45 GMT -8
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 24, 2024 8:45:45 GMT -8
Railflyer made those, if I remember right.... Or did they just turn out to be vaporware? They were not vaporware: "I've got mine." Ed |
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Post by sknorcal on Jun 24, 2024 8:55:28 GMT -8
Those are switcher style steps (I have no idea what the correct official name is for this design), and Rapido did tool them. They are offered on the Santa Fe version of the GP38. Santa Fe used this style step on their GP38 and first two orders of GP39-2. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 24, 2024 9:47:15 GMT -8
So they did!
Thanks. NOW they've got my attention. Good news is that I don't have to be the one to beta test the model that I want (I've done my fair share!). I'm not sure I'll risk their version of Pacific Pride I, but one/two of the plain ones, for sure.
Ed
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Post by nsc39d8 on Jun 24, 2024 10:19:49 GMT -8
Athearn also tooled them on the Southern GP38-2'. Enough so that the early Southern GP38-2's had GP38 fan spacing which Athearn got right. Photo 2000 also had some GP38-2's that had the early fan spacing.
For me I have cancelled my GP38 pre-order and will wait to see them first hand and cross my fingers I can get one in Southern or NS.
Tony Sissons did one of my GP38-2's from a Proto 2000 and used the Railflyer steps. With no instructions it was hit or miss on bending them and then the walkway had to be milled to make the height correct.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 24, 2024 10:34:36 GMT -8
I never really thought about actually installing the Railflyer steps. I just figured that, if I ever wanted to build one of the early BN ones, I'd want those parts handy. Which they are.
Thanks, James, for the "early warning".
Ed
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Post by dtinut on Jun 24, 2024 18:46:00 GMT -8
Ed
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They made them, and I have several sets of these as this is the type of step that the DT&I ordered for their GP38-2’s.
Railflyer etched kits build up nicely if you take your time.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jun 25, 2024 1:19:06 GMT -8
]Model really looks nice aside from the fact that all 3 fans are too tall. PC/CR primarily used the dynamic brake size fans even for cooling fans. For the $$$$ being charged and research available, no excuse to screw that up. Par for the course. Fans are wrong too, judging by this 1982 photo: conrailphotos.thecrhs.org/photos/cr-7832-johnstown-pa-1982Other things that stand out after a quick glance: The sand filler hatch is much too tall too. I'm not seeing black on the top of the nose in prototype photos from this era. The blue is much too washed out. The handrails and grab irons look good. |
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Post by Tom on Jun 25, 2024 6:08:49 GMT -8
Par for the course. Fans are wrong too, judging by this 1982 photo: conrailphotos.thecrhs.org/photos/cr-7832-johnstown-pa-1982Other things that stand out after a quick glance: The sand filler hatch is much too tall too. I'm not seeing black on the top of the nose in prototype photos from this era. The blue is much too washed out. The handrails and grab irons look good. The fan "type" is actually correct for the 7850, but the black running boards are not. The fans as a whole.. yeah (not as if this was brought to the attention of this company on the first run of F40, and accompanied by drawings but.....). They're on-par with those amazing Blombergs. All for a $70 higher MSRP than the current Atlas model (both DC only). |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jun 25, 2024 6:11:32 GMT -8
All for a $70 higher MSRP than the current Atlas model (both DC only). Yeah, I don't get it. Atlas makes some of the best running locomotives in the business too. |
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Post by canrailfan on Jun 25, 2024 6:24:26 GMT -8
Fans are a tough call when discussing model accuracy. All railroads freely substituted the many different fan styles during repairs and re-builds. Even factory drawings can show a different fan from what was installed on the factory floor. The fans are from outside suppliers and in some cases one supplier can't meet the demand and another supplier's fan was used instead. (Same thing happens in the auto industry.)
Looking at a photo of a GP38 that has been in service for several years and through different owners can be misleading as to what the fans should look like.
I don't know if the fans on Rapido's GP38 are correct or not but will assume they had a source for modeling the fans as they are.
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Post by cpr4200 on Jun 25, 2024 6:37:59 GMT -8
Tony Sissons did one of my GP38-2's from a Proto 2000 and used the Railflyer steps. With no instructions it was hit or miss on bending them and then the walkway had to be milled to make the height correct. I've been wondering if instructions are available for the Railflyer steps. Guess I'm on my own. :-) |
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Post by Tom on Jun 25, 2024 6:44:47 GMT -8
Fans are a tough call when discussing model accuracy. All railroads freely substituted the many different fan styles during repairs and re-builds. Even factory drawings can show a different fan from what was installed on the factory floor. The fans are from outside suppliers and in some cases one supplier can't meet the demand and another supplier's fan was used instead. (Same thing happens in the auto industry.) Looking at a photo of a GP38 that has been in service for several years and through different owners can be misleading as to what the fans should look like. I don't know if the fans on Rapido's GP38 are correct or not but will assume they had a source for modeling the fans as they are. Regardless of the "generation" or grille type of the fan, they should still be 48" and the correct height, with roughly the correct thickness of the shroud housing. Especially when things are measured, 3D scanned, and drawings are provided... at least twice. Maybe a few things get lost in Canadian "humorous video" translation?
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Post by nsc39d8 on Jun 25, 2024 12:46:04 GMT -8
Tony Sissons did one of my GP38-2's from a Proto 2000 and used the Railflyer steps. With no instructions it was hit or miss on bending them and then the walkway had to be milled to make the height correct. I've been wondering if instructions are available for the Railflyer steps. Guess I'm on my own. :-) So funny story is I was in contact with the owner of Railflyer about instructions for the switcher style steps in question. He stated that Tony Sissons had the etches and was working on assembly and writing the instructions. I said "Okay great!", never letting on I knew Tony and talked with him regularly. After I hung up the phone I immediately called Tony and asked about this info. His answer: " I am doing what? I don't even have those parts!" I will try and take pictures of these parts on a Proto 2000 and an Athearn Genesis. |
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Post by joppasub on Jun 25, 2024 14:51:40 GMT -8
Are they making the switcher steps
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Post by loco8107 on Jun 25, 2024 15:01:02 GMT -8
]Model really looks nice aside from the fact that all 3 fans are too tall. PC/CR primarily used the dynamic brake size fans even for cooling fans. For the $$$$ being charged and research available, no excuse to screw that up. Par for the course. Fans are wrong too, judging by this 1982 photo: conrailphotos.thecrhs.org/photos/cr-7832-johnstown-pa-1982Other things that stand out after a quick glance: The sand filler hatch is much too tall too. I'm not seeing black on the top of the nose in prototype photos from this era. The blue is much too washed out. The handrails and grab irons look good. Correct- black wasn’t used on top of nose until mid:/late 80’s and definitely anything with a frame stripe. |
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Post by cera2254 on Jun 25, 2024 17:59:31 GMT -8
It looks like the actual production sample that they show in the video does not have black on the nose, but does have black walkways. I’m not thrilled about the latter but can live with it, the former however would have been an unforgivable sin.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jun 25, 2024 21:09:31 GMT -8
I've been wondering if instructions are available for the Railflyer steps. Guess I'm on my own. :-) So funny story is I was in contact with the owner of Railflyer about instructions for the switcher style steps in question. He stated that Tony Sissons had the etches and was working on assembly and writing the instructions. I said "Okay great!", never letting on I knew Tony and talked with him regularly. After I hung up the phone I immediately called Tony and asked about this info. His answer: " I am doing what? I don't even have those parts!" Weird! Correct- black wasn’t used on top of nose until mid:/late 80’s and definitely anything with a frame stripe. I thought that might be the case. It looks like the actual production sample that they show in the video does not have black on the nose ... Aah, good that they caught that! But the unit is still a paler blue than that of the caboose in the same video... |
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Post by cera2254 on Jun 26, 2024 2:03:58 GMT -8
Yes unfortunately paint is always a wild card with rapido.
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Post by loco8107 on Jun 26, 2024 4:53:51 GMT -8
So funny story is I was in contact with the owner of Railflyer about instructions for the switcher style steps in question. He stated that Tony Sissons had the etches and was working on assembly and writing the instructions. I said "Okay great!", never letting on I knew Tony and talked with him regularly. After I hung up the phone I immediately called Tony and asked about this info. His answer: " I am doing what? I don't even have those parts!" Weird! Correct- black wasn’t used on top of nose until mid:/late 80’s and definitely anything with a frame stripe. I thought that might be the case. It looks like the actual production sample that they show in the video does not have black on the nose ... Aah, good that they caught that! But the unit is still a paler blue than that of the caboose in the same video... The strange part is the paint color issue is pretty much prototypical as the caboose blue always seemed to fade a lot quicker than the locos go figure. I took a lot of pics in the years following the split and the handful of bay windows left used for shoving platforms were always badly faded more than the locos still wearing the 80’s repaint scheme. |
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